Rappel belay device
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I'm getting 11mm static line for rappelling and I need to know what kind of belay device to use with a 11mm rope. I weigh 110lbs. Thanks |
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I would recommend an ATC guide. Super versatile. |
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I'd second the ATC Guide. |
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Jacob, |
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If you are strictly rappelling and don't need a belay device (for vertical caving or some canyoneering) this device works quite well but is heavy, expensive and not versatile: |
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Although an ATC Guide is rated for up to a 11mm rope it can be a pain trying to get anything over 10.5 through it. |
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The OP asked for a device to rappel on 11mm static. The best answer came in the first response. Buy a fig8. Cheap and easy to setup. |
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^^^ this answer and the first answer by John Marsella are the best answers. |
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Be aware of the failure mode of the figure 8 |
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Greg D wrote:^^^ this answer and the first answer by John Marsella are the best answers.I agree that figure 8 is a good option for rapping on a fat rope. I used one for many years to rap . Haven't used one in many years but it's simple, safe and works well. If you are looking at long rappels or dirty,wet rappels (like in caving), a rappel rack is a great option I've used an ATC on 11mm ropes years ago, when ropes were typically fatter, and it worked Ok |
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I like the petzl rig buttttttt I also use it for work. It's pretty much a grigri on steroids |
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One option might be a rack, they look like this: |
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Should try the Sterling ATS belay/rappel device. I've used it on 11.4 mm rope, not too terrible. In a pinch, you can also use the ATS as a tube-style belay device, and as a plaquette belay device, but tbh it kinda sucks for that. |
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trent - thank you for your service. |
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Gunkiemike wrote:trent - thank you for your service. But please let's not suggest assault rigging for recreational climber use, k?Why not. Rappelling is stupid simple. It's discipline, awareness and and a large dose of pay the fuck attention that makes rappelling safer, not all the other bs that others are believing will keep them safe. Imagine if every climber learned how to rappel from a drill Sargent. There would be way less fuck ups out there. Thanks Trent for your contribution and way more for your service. |
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Gunkiemike wrote:trent - thank you for your service. But please let's not suggest assault rigging for recreational climber use, k?I should have been more clear about my intentions when I posted. My point is that there are many safe ways to rappel for trained people. Myself and two other drill sergeants would inspect and send 220 rappellers on tower day. Almost every Soldier sent down the ropes had never rappelled like that before. With professional instruction and guidance, rappelling using the military method can be fun and fast... almost the fastest method of moving Soldiers vertically down where time is important, i.e. bad guys with guns are around (fastroping is faster but IMO not as safe). You are correct, I should not, and do not condone recreational climbers using this method without proper training, instruction, and supervised practice, and I should have mentioned that in my original post, especially in a beginner's thread. |
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Greg D wrote:Imagine if every climber learned how to rappel from a drill Sargent. There would be way less fuck ups out there. Thanks Trent for your contribution and way more for your service.Yep. The US Military is absolutely not known for its "fuck ups". Pointless wars, deaths of 100,000s of innocents, creation of lawless states which promote extremism.... Oh and lets not forget just plain old mismanagement: rt.com/usa/afghanistan-pent… warisboring.com/heres-how-t… Yep, lets get our advice from the military. Good idea. |
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patto wrote:Pointless wars, deaths of 100,000s of innocents, creation of lawless states which promote extremism.... Oh and lets not forget just plain old mismanagement: rt.com/usa/afghanistan-pent… warisboring.com/heres-how-t…Sounds more like a knee-jerk anti-military statement than anything about climbing / rappelling. Still, I tend to agree ... Unlike simply two partners swapping leads, the military environment is going to foster climb / rap techniques that suit their purposes - some already mentioned upstream. It is similar for the guide-service environments where the money-for-service paradigm brings in influences that are quite different than a couple peers roping up. And, yet, cross-pollination between the different environments can be a good thing. Just don't turn off the "brain switch". |
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Patto, I am not going to touch your comments about my chosen profession, but I'll defend, to the death, your right to say it. |
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Fyi to any new climbers, what is pictured is not a munter and is not a safe way to rappel without gloves. This really isn't a best practice, but thanks for sharing Trent? Don't know what the purpose of sharing something that's inherently dangerous on a site answering a beginner's question... 'cool' factor of being military maybe? Lots of us have 'cool' factor 'stuff' we could share that's just not appropriate for a climbing conversation. |