Is leaving your dog at the base of multipitch climb really Animal abuse?

Jeff G. wrote: People here are all up in arms about dogs that go outside for a climbing day with their owner but no one says a word about this animal abuser who leaves his dog alone for days?

You can leave a feeder / water for the dog... it is like leaving a 30 year old person at home for a few days???? Dogs are not infants... believe it or not they can take care of themselves if you don't leave them tied to a tree.

Given if you live in a city where you have a 20x20 backward where the dog would be trapped this isn't really the best option... but if you live in a rural area the dog will be fine!

huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/…

To be perfectly honest there is a picture of the dog sitting there and it looks perfectly fine, sure it isn't ideal to leave a dog in the care for a long time with the windows closed but it isn't like the dog is dying in the picture. You can leave your dog in the car for 15-30mins to run into a store and it is going to be OK!

ViperScale wrote: You can leave a feeder / water for the dog... it is like leaving a 30 year old person at home for a few days???? Dogs are not infants... believe it or not they can take care of themselves if you don't leave them tied to a tree. Given if you live in a city where you have a 20x20 backward where the dog would be trapped this isn't really the best option... but if you live in a rural area the dog will be fine! huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/… To be perfectly honest there is a picture of the dog sitting there and it looks perfectly fine, sure it isn't ideal to leave a dog in the care for a long time with the windows closed but it isn't like the dog is dying in the picture. You can leave your dog in the car for 15-30mins to run into a store and it is going to be OK!

I posted the same story above. Honestly sounds like maybe an overeaction but I don't know the details.
I would never leave my dog alone in my car (he'd destroy it if he decided he wanted out) but I'd be upset if someone broke my window. Plus, my dog would then either attack them or run away and turn from an overheated dog to a stray and might get hit by a car or whatever....

if yr in squamish and you leave yr dog at the base for a multi ...

it may no longer be there afterwards .... not because of any humans, but simply because bears and dogs dont get along too well up here

if an incident does happen then theres a good chance the poor bear will need to be destroyed ... and not through any fault of its own, and thats on you

not to mention you may well get ticketed if its in the provincial park

;)

bearbreeder wrote:if yr in squamish and you leave yr dog at the base for a multi ... it may no longer be there afterwards .... not because of any humans, but simply because bears and dogs dont get along too well up here if an incident does happen then theres a good chance the poor bear will need to be destroyed ... and not through any fault of its own, and thats on you not to mention you may well get ticketed if its in the provincial park ;)

So I take it that the Cougars aren't eating babies and doggies at this point? It's bears now? It's been a couple years since I've been in Squamish..

Bill Kirby wrote: So I take it that the Cougars aren't eating babies and doggies at this point? It's bears now? It's been a couple years since I've been in Squamish..

little putty kats attack tastay doggays here too ...

from a few years ago ...

squamishchief.com/news/loca…

Perry Omeasoo, who owns T-Bone with his wife Michelle Lebeau, said the attack occurred while the two were hiking near Fawn Lake on Saturday (Aug. 31) at around 11:30 a.m. Omeasoo was walking a few hundred metres ahead when his wife screamed that the dog, a 13-pound miniature pinscher, had been attacked.

T-Bone had been walking off-leash a few metres behind Lebeau when she heard a commotion and turned around to find a cougar attacking her pet.

She started running towards the cougar, Omeasoo said. She was screaming, waving her hands and screaming at the cougar and T-Bone, and that's when the cougar ran into the woods.

the simple fact is that if you do choose to leave your dog unattended up here .... theres a real possibility that your dog might be eaten or attacked by wildlife ... or even other dogs ...

if it was just the dog which was at risk because of that decision, then thats on the owner who doesnt give a damn enough about his/her dog to protect it against wildlife

but the bear, cougar,etc ... may be destroyed too ...

;)

ViperScale wrote:You can leave your dog in the car for 15-30mins to run into a store and it is going to be OK!

Maybe...
avma.org/public/PetCare/Pag…

Estimated Vehicle Interior Air Temperature v. Elapsed TimeElapsed time

Outside Air Temperature (F)
70 75 80 85 90 95
0 minutes 70 75 80 85 90 95
10 minutes 89 94 99 104 109 114
20 minutes 99 104 109 114 119 124
30 minutes 104 109 114 119 124 129
40 minutes 108 113 118 123 128 133
50 minutes 111 116 121 126 131 136
60 minutes 113 118 123 128 133 138
> 1 hour 115 120 125 130 135 140
Courtesy Jan Null, CCM; Department of Geosciences, San Francisco State University

our dog just chills at the base while we climb. runs around and chases squirrels and does dog stuff. sticks right around the base til we return though. we leave her some water and dont leave her in an area with baking sun.

one time her water spilled and I was so surprised that she managed to live for 3 hours without water!

if theres bear danger or too much sun or its against park regulations then obviously we dont bring her. other dogs i have known would not be a good choice as they are too friendly/mean/loud.etc but this one is chill and tends to ignore people and other dogs

Marc801 wrote: Maybe... avma.org/public/PetCare/Pag… Estimated Vehicle Interior Air Temperature v. Elapsed TimeElapsed time Outside Air Temperature (F) 70 75 80 85 90 95 0 minutes 70 75 80 85 90 95 10 minutes 89 94 99 104 109 114 20 minutes 99 104 109 114 119 124 30 minutes 104 109 114 119 124 129 40 minutes 108 113 118 123 128 133 50 minutes 111 116 121 126 131 136 60 minutes 113 118 123 128 133 138 > 1 hour 115 120 125 130 135 140 Courtesy Jan Null, CCM; Department of Geosciences, San Francisco State University

Pretty good evidence that leaving a dog in the car is a bad idea.
Not anything I would ever do anyway but good to have data

Pet owners need to be smarter than their dogs....

cragman2 wrote: Pet owners need to be smarter than their dogs....

You must be one of those idealistic utopian types . . . .

Scott Phil wrote: You must be one of those idealistic utopian types . . . .

No, not a hippie (even though I live in Boulder). Just think that if someone has responsibility to take care of another living creature, they should probably have at least a slightly higher IQ than their dog...

Cornelius Jefferson wrote: Nobody listen to this wanker

So it may be a little hot in a car... not going to kill / torture them any more than we do every day to our animals that get left in a house all day long while people are work... or breed all the defects into them to get that perfect pure breed!

I personally can't stand people with indoor pets... if you don't live somewhere that they can run around free outside don't get a dog.

cragman2 wrote: No, not a hippie (even though I live in Boulder). Just think that if someone has responsibility to take care of another living creature, they should probably have at least a slightly higher IQ than their dog...

Didn't mean to imply you were : )

I agree that too many people seem to treat their dogs like just another lifestyle accessory. They're the ones for whom what the dog "wants" tends to coincide with what is most convenient/easy for the owner.

woof woof say hi to Sadie next time you see her at the rock!

bearbreeder wrote: a 13-pound miniature pinscher

Pretty sure this should read "Cougar attacks small cat ironically named T-Bone"

The obvious solution is to have a well trained wolf hybrid. The advantages are undeniable, they'll fight off cougars, bears will leave them alone. While you set off on a 10 pitch trad line they'll kill a deer and drag it back to basecamp in time for you to cook up some tasty meat for dinner! They may also be the solution that ends crag babies...

I have to leave my pet at home because he scares some people =/

Kyle Cobbler wrote:woof woof say hi to Sadie next time you see her at the rock!

I'd much rather see a dog at the crag than a human.

Maybe more dogs and less humans is the answer?

Leash ordinance IMO, is for problem dogs, who are anti social and or like to chew on other dogs or people. Further, this is sort of like speeding on the freeway when everyone is going 5 or 10 over. If most are off the leash, and the area is typically leash less, then it gets overlooked by authorities. I let my dog off often, but he's a wuss when it comes to anything new. He never goes out of sight, and will return with a single command. I leash him up as needed. Any chance he will bother anyone, he goes back on the leash. My other dogs are idiots and their behavior earns them lots of leash time. Just my observation.

1) I sometimes leave bags of poop on the side of the trail, and yes, I pick them up. If on a loop trail, I carry it.
2) City Creek is an SLC watershed, and above the dam, dogs are prohibited. Below the dam, dogs are allowed. In Memory Grove, with the exception of the grassy area, dogs are allowed off leash. Sorry dood. I live on Canyon, with a dog, and thems the rules, actually.

Everyone is inconvenienced by everyone doing everything. I get it. If your dog is uncomfortable/anxious/mean/whiny/sad at the bottom of the crag, you probably aren't doing what your dog needs. This has been said over and over in this monotonous thread, and yes, then you are a poor dog owner, although once again, everyone is doing things all the time that piss off someone. It just is what it is.

Lotta rule makers in this here place.

I'm a dog owner. It's astounding to me that this is even a discussion! Dogs and multipitch climbing just don't mix! Want to climb multipitch, either find someone to watch your dog, take it to doggie daycare, or don't get a dog! Cragging, hiking, skiing, mountaineering, that's a different story: if your dog is with you, in your sight, under your control, then yes - as long as it's properly trained, there's no problem. But that's just not the case when you're 500 feet off the deck! And, whoever retorts with, "but...but...but my dog is totally OK just chillin there for a few hours", all I can say is, I don't know what planet you're living on. That's all.

Edited: to add, I know many climbers who own dogs, and not a single one of them would even consider taking their dog on a day of multi-pitch.

Alexey Dynkin wrote:I'm a dog owner. It's astounding to me that this is even a discussion! Dogs and multipitch climbing just don't mix! Want to climb multipitch, either find someone to watch your dog, take it to doggie daycare, or don't get a dog! Cragging, hiking, skiing, mountaineering, that's a different story: if your dog is with you, in your sight, under your control, then yes - as long as it's properly trained, there's no problem. But that's just not the case when you're 500 feet off the deck! And, whoever retorts with, "but...but...but my dog is totally OK just chillin there for a few hours", all I can say is, I don't know what planet you're living on. That's all. Edited: to add, I know many climbers who own dogs, and not a single one of them would even consider taking their dog on a day of multi-pitch.

also a dog owner with 2 well trained pups and couldnt agree more...