Part time job at Rock and Resole

I'm not so sure of that. I would like to see your evidence of targeted tax break (as opposed to found loophole) previous to first offering of the benefit.
ebri.org/publications/facts…

M Sprague wrote:I'm not so sure of that. I would like to see your evidence of targeted tax break (as opposed to found loophole) previous to first offering of the benefit. ebri.org/publications/facts…

Health insurance costs are tax deductible. So Tony's saying businesses would rather pay $1.00 of health care rather than a $1.00 of wage because that wage would cost roughly $1.50. It just didn't start that way. Health care benefits started as a way to get around the wage freezes in WWII.

You look any survey regarding why businesses offer health insurance and saving money ain't there. Most of the time businesses don't offer insurance because it costs too much.

I think we are speaking slightly cross purpose here.

Plutocracy

20 kN wrote: Meh, not really. Sometimes. Ask a teacher or a private in Iraq. I know system engineers that get paid $150k and sit around on their ass on Facebook all day waiting for something to break. I also know dudes that work in 115 degree Vegas heat building infrastructure for only $13 an hour. I have seen E2 privates earn the purple heart after suffering life-altering battle injuries. An E2 makes $1700 a month in basic pay, less taxes. Sorry bro, but very rarely do the highest paying jobs pay so much because the workers work so enormously harder than everyone else. In fact, the highest paying jobs often contribute the least to society. If pay reflected job importance and it's reflectance on society, teachers, laborers and health care workers would make as much as CEOs, and investment portfolio managers would make minimum wage.

This is how low-earners console themselves.

^^^
Eleanor? Nothing better to do than perpetuate the flame war, huh?

Rock and Resole wrote:Help Wanted at Rock and Resole info@rockandresole.com • 10 – 15 hours/week • hours flexible – in the shop no less than 3 times per week • must review vacation plans 2 months in advance • possible Saturday hours • $8.25/hr. • customer service and desk work • no knowledge of climbing necessary • Minimum age 16

I would very much like apply for this job. I live in car, rarely shower, have breath smelling of strong raw fishheads and cheesesteaks, hate working and try to avoid it as much as possible, and I do not need a reasonable wage or full time work. I would probably do the quitting after one or a few months without warning once I have received enough payments for my next road trip out to the climbing rocks. You would not be finding of the high school students anyways because they must drive an audi to live in boulder and remain socially acceptable. Also I do not think they would be liking of your stinky foot shop. They probably only want to smoke the green herb and be having of the parties.

I live near boulder for many months passing, but still do not have a firm grasp on the grammars of the English language. But perhaps the many white people in boulder will find my foreign accent most charming as I work behind your desk and regale them with tales of my bold, excellent flash on the climbing rocks around this most enjoyable state of Colorado.

I will send you a pair of my shoes so you may smell my feet for your helping to evaluate me for employability, with a job application tucked into the right shoe.

Fat Dad wrote:^^^ Eleanor? Nothing better to do than perpetuate the flame war, huh?

I don't think so. He's actually pretty eloquent and makes sense. I thought it was some Mountain Proj's Burt Bronson wannabe.

M Sprague wrote:I'm not so sure of that. I would like to see your evidence of targeted tax break (as opposed to found loophole) previous to first offering of the benefit. ebri.org/publications/facts…

Fair enough, and you are correct on the technicality.
Origionally benifits were not taxed, only salary. The specific and additional exemptions were codified later (IE: Contributions/deductions put into HSA and/or 125 plan)
There is the point though that insurance being offered by an employer became popular as an incentive when Wilson created the National War Labor Board and froze wages. Companies were thusly encouraged to offer other things and do so tax free in order to attract labor.

(more market direction on the part of the Feds leads to more of that an lack of portability of care plans)

As Jefferson put it, "If the federal governmnet were in charge of when to reap and when to sow, we'd all be for want of bread."

It's kind of like feed lots, I guess. The Feds ever came out and said "You have to use feed lots and raise cows on corn." But they sure as hell created a long list of incentives, penalties, rules, regulations, provisions, provisos, etc etc etc... that set that as an inevitability.

Same goes for health insurance.

And now they've codified it as a necessity.
It does have a few good points - IE: most new hires at new companies are assured health benefits regardless of health status, as part of contract. It socializes the cost of expensive customers without providing an incentive for someone to go without insurance until they get sick.

Rock J Hopper wrote:Paying for your employee's health insurance is socially ethical. Right wing will complain about increasing taxes yet would rather pay a dollar extra an hour (which will be likely spent on processed products in Walmart or more things made of plastic) than a dollar in health insurance (which will go to paying for preventive care, screening and paying medical care before it becomes an emergency) . Can somebody please send union reps to R&R?????

The problem is right there in your statement. People make stupid choices. Go see the doctor about my diabetes or go buy more sugary food at Walmart? Hmmm....

It'd be great if you could fix (stupid) people but you really can't. We're really just putting a bandaid on the problem. The only way they will change is when they decide to change. And the only way to get them to decide to change is to let them crash and burn. You are just preventing the inevitable.

Rock J Hopper wrote: I used to think like you. That is until I realized that the stupid people are not gonna change.

That is contradictory.

Rock J Hopper wrote: there is no room left for Darwinism.

Exactly! Our society does nothing but go out of its way to prevent Darwinism, and then we sit around and wonder why people do stupid things! - it's because we've removed the consequences.

Waste all your food and rent money on crack - that's ok we'll feed you and house you!
Eat crap food and don't exercise - that's ok we'll take care of your healthcare!

There is no incentive to make good choices anymore.

Stagg54 wrote: Exactly! Our society does nothing but go out of its way to prevent Darwinism, and then we sit around and wonder why people do stupid things! - it's because we've removed the consequences. Waste all your food and rent money on crack - that's ok we'll feed you and house you! Eat crap food and don't exercise - that's ok we'll take care of your healthcare! There is no incentive to make good choices anymore.

Agree. Now how do we deal with it? How do we adapt? Mandatory 2 years spent in 3rd world country for every teenager may work (No parents of course).

I will try to fly it by Senate.....

Contracts with sweatshops in Russia(not 3rd world but will do), Phillipines, India, Colombia, South Africa and China (not 3rd world but they get shit done). Sounds like a great proposition. They work for food only all the rest of the proceeds goes to rebuilding the healthcare system in the US.

It's about time we start rebuilding something at home instead of at foreign countries who hate us....

Stagg54 wrote: Exactly! Our society does nothing but go out of its way to prevent Darwinism, and then we sit around and wonder why people do stupid things! - it's because we've removed the consequences. Waste all your food and rent money on crack - that's ok we'll feed you and house you! Eat crap food and don't exercise - that's ok we'll take care of your healthcare! There is no incentive to make good choices anymore.

"The following proposition seems to me in a high degree probable—namely, that any animal whatever, endowed with well-marked social instincts, the parental and filial affections being here included, would inevitably acquire a moral sense or conscience, as soon as its intellectual powers had become as well, or nearly as well developed, as in man. For, firstly, the social instincts lead an animal to take pleasure in the society of its fellows, to feel a certain amount of sympathy with them, and to perform various services for them." -Darwin, 1871

^^^I'm calling BS on that one.

Tony B wrote: That is contradictory.

Best ever

Clifton Santiago wrote: Best ever

Less is more!
We could make a contest out of it.
First one that she actually understands is the looser.

Tony B wrote: Less is more!

I know this is some kind of liberal trick to get the last word. Less is more.. F-cking hippie!

What next.. Light is right?

Manure is brown
Violets are blue
Talk sense to Tony B
The joke is on you

Roses are red
Shoe rubber is black
Shoes stink
So does this thread

Rock J Hopper wrote:^^^I'm calling BS on that one.

Care to explain?