Gunks Ranger Position Open

http://www.mohonkpreserve.org/sites/default/files/files/PDF/SeasonalRangerAnnouncement.pdf

damn that pay is awful

Cheap bastards. Let's hope they give medical at that rate.

You would think with the Preserve charging $15 a head to climb that they could pay the rangers more than that. Walmart pays more than that.

Then again, would you rather hang out at the gunks checking out climbers, or in Walmart checking out "OMFG!"?

Could always sell a little weed to supplement the 11 bucks an hour. I do hope that are perks with that "salary".

Thanks for the find.

not sure why anyone would want to be a ranger, especially at that pay rate.

M Sprague wrote:Then again, would you rather hang out at the gunks checking out climbers, or in Walmart checking out "OMFG!"?

least the idiots at walrmart will kill themselves outside of your job.

sir please dont belay while talking on your self phone... gunks fail.

Brian wrote: Walmart pays more than that.

According to msnbc.com/the-ed-show/leake…,

"...a ‘solid performer’ who starts at Walmart as a cart pusher making $8 an hour and receives one promotion, about the average rate, can expect to make $10.60 after working at the company for 6 years..."

The Preserve position is a part-time (~3 days/week) seasonal job paying $11/hr right from the start, so a lot better than Walmart, even if the working conditions and nature of the job aren't considered.

This is not to justify the particular pay rate, which I agree sounds pretty low. However, the Preserve pay does meet the $10.10/hr standard for a living wage for a single person in Ulster County. (But of course that standard is for full-time workers working 2,080 hours a year.) It is in line with the typical hourly wage for someone in "personal care and services" and higher than the typical hourly wage for people in "food service and preparation." See livingwage.mit.edu/counties…

The ranger can expect to earn about $7400 for the April to October season, with about four days a week to climb and/or or work at something else. According to the the livingwage site referenced above, a single person needs a total living wage of about $21,000 a year in Ulster County, so the ranger is going to have to have some other significant sources of income/support.

Passable for the young looking to do the lifestyle climber thing....for the short term.

How about the full time rangers that come haul your sorry butt off the cliffs if you have a problem?
Way under paid, haven't had a raise in a decade possibly longer by now.

No healthcare outside of workmanship comp.

Told to take ~3 months off over the winter to save on funding, during which they are told not to collect unemployment during their layoff as they're not allowed....yet they're rehired in the spring.
I'm pretty certain this practice is illegal, certainly immoral .

Far cry from the well paid director and his minions.

I've often advocated the rangers look into and voice their disgruntled opinions on this....I wonder how many climbers would be surprised at how shabbily the preserve treats these guys.
There should be a fund drive with money ear marked by those who send the preserve donations to improve the rangers plight.
Siphon it off all the other relentless fundraising they do.

Don't believe it?
Ask the rangers or as mohonk is a nonprofit they are required to provide full disclosure.

Personally, I think Glenn et all should be ashamed.

I did the job for several years through graduate school and thought it was just fine. Sure, cleaning the Uberfall toilet and interacting with the occasional hostile visitor sucks, but I'd laugh to myself and think "how many Ph.d. candidates out there have ever done this before." If the pay was higher I would have dropped out and never finished my dissertation. It's like mountain guiding - the job is usually so good that if the pay were better everyone would do it.

And what's up with first time posters creating an account to air grievances with the Preserve - suspiciously like that douche who has hijacked just about every Gunks related thread on just about every climbing website since like 2005.

fuck park rangers. There I said it.

NickinCO wrote:fuck park rangers. There I said it.

+1

NickinCO wrote:fuck park rangers. There I said it.

Why the hate toward park rangers? Or is it any authority?

FrankPS wrote: Why the hate toward park rangers? Or is it any authority?

park rangers and most but not all cops.

Because:

- Red Rocks Scenic Loop late exit rule

-Any state/national park trail that allows 1200lb roto-tillers aka horses but no mountain bikes because they ruin the trail

-Any state/national park that allows horses but no dogs, because horse shit everywhere is somehow better than dog shit.

-Any ranger that wakes you at 3am and asks for your permit because you're supposed to be in the bivy 300' away, even though both are unoccupied.

You're going to say they don't make the rules it isn't their fault, but they do enforce them and no one forced them to take that job = douchebags.

NickinCO wrote: park rangers and most but not all cops. Because: - Red Rocks Scenic Loop late exit rule -Any state/national park trail that allows 1200lb roto-tillers aka horses but no mountain bikes because they ruin the trail -Any state/national park that allows horses but no dogs, because horse shit everywhere is somehow better than dog shit. -Any ranger that wakes you at 3am and asks for your permit because you're supposed to be in the bivy 300' away, even though both are unoccupied. You're going to say they don't make the rules it isn't their fault, but they do enforce them and no one forced them to take that job = douchebags.

No, I'm not going to say that. I'm going to say that none of your grievances have anything to do with the Gunks.

Annecy wrote: Far cry from the well paid director and his minions.

This is where the REAL issue is...

I know!!!

Let's all complain on the interweb and not try to initiate any change!!!

Fucking cry babies...

Gawd, never should of opened this thread...

edit: especially NickinCO but he is from CO I guess...

NickinCO wrote: park rangers and most but not all cops. Because: - Red Rocks Scenic Loop late exit rule -Any state/national park trail that allows 1200lb roto-tillers aka horses but no mountain bikes because they ruin the trail -Any state/national park that allows horses but no dogs, because horse shit everywhere is somehow better than dog shit. -Any ranger that wakes you at 3am and asks for your permit because you're supposed to be in the bivy 300' away, even though both are unoccupied. You're going to say they don't make the rules it isn't their fault, but they do enforce them and no one forced them to take that job = douchebags.

LOL! How old are you? 12?

kboofis wrote: LOL! How old are you? 12?

Haha, no he's an adult. Go figure...