Bad anchors

Will S wrote: Not to rain on the hyperbole parade, but that's a pretty ridiculous statement.

yeah, it is.

Austin Baird wrote: Right? What an obnoxious dick this canyoneering specialist is. He's posted TWO pictures AND a brief explanation of canyoneering anchoring ethics to try and add to the discussion. I can barely see for all the spray this douchenozzle is throwing around.

and several posts about how much braver he is than rock climbers for doing more dangerous things

Will S wrote: Not to rain on the hyperbole parade, but that's a pretty ridiculous statement.

Very well, closures do not occur weekly, but they occur frequently enough to provide a number of full-time positions at the Access Fund. Regardless, all that is relevant is that closures occur frequently and they often occur after an injury or death.

dbclt wrote: and several posts about how much braver he is than rock climbers for doing more dangerous things

Not really. Most trad climbers climb harder and riskier than I do. I'm a total wuss when it comes to trad climbing. My posts were meant to reflect the difference in risk tolerance that participating in an activity for long enough breeds. I'm kind of a badass when it comes to cooking for large amounts of people on short notice - but that's about the only thing I'll claim badass status for.

John Marsella wrote:Less discussion, more pictures of bad anchors.

+1

20 kN wrote: Very well, closures do not occur weekly, but they occur frequently enough to provide a number of full-time positions at the Access Fund. Regardless, all that is relevant is that closures occur frequently and they often occur after an injury or death.

So can you name ONE crag that was closed due to a crappy 1/4 incher pulling and someone dieing? One?

It seems like all you do is post a lot of hot air with nothing to ever back it up.

I guess he didn't die but he was pretty close.

EricSchmidt wrote: So can you name ONE crag that was closed due to a crappy 1/4 incher pulling and someone dieing? One? It seems like all you do is post a lot of hot air with nothing to ever back it up.

actually the guy spends a ton of time doing things for the greater good of the climbing community, it just seems that way to you right now because of his blanket statements.

EricSchmidt wrote: So can you name ONE crag that was closed due to a crappy 1/4 incher pulling and someone dieing? One? It seems like all you do is post a lot of hot air with nothing to ever back it up.

It was not my assertion that 1/4" bolts directly cause closures. What I said is that injuries/ deaths cause closures, and bad bolts can and do cause injuries/ deaths. So if a bad bolt can cause an injury, and an injury can cause a closure, then well, here is some reading for you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans…

I can name many crags that have been closed due to injuries or fatalities. I am working on reopening one right now. I can also tell you that it is far more work than any person should ever have to do. Going the extra mile to ensure a crag is safe is far easier than fighting an access issue.

mr. mango wrote: Here's one I guess he didn't die but he was pretty close.

Ok that is an instance of a 1/4 incher breaking.... But the guy did not die AND it did not result in the closure of a climbing area. Try again, and this time maybe use some reading comprehension.

"Throughout America, closures are enacted weekly. One person gets killed from a crappy 1/4" bolt and everyone looses their right to climb at the crag."

20kn can you explain to me how this is a metaphor? I think you need to go look up the definition of a metaphor cause that is not even close.... keep diggin.

mr. mango wrote: Here's one I guess he didn't die but he was pretty close.

This is an ironic choice by mr. mango. The old bolts had been replaced with three stainless glue ins. Not only did the climber choose to use the old bolts instead, he chose to use only one. It failed. You can't make climbing safe for everyone. You can't fix stupid. (yes, I'm insensitive)

Still no examples from "Mr Metaphor".

Jeff Thilking wrote:

Thank you for staying true to the spirit of the thread.

On top of monster tower in canyonlands

Who is EricSchmidt, and why is he so angry?

clay meier wrote: On top of monster tower in canyonlands

What's worse than an old star drive? This old star drive!! Half out of hole, and bent to boot!

Eric despite despite the blanket statement that Aric dropped, I think the guy knows more about the work it takes to open a crag than you may. If my detective work is right Aric is probably working on reopening some of Hawaiis crags which I believe we're closed because a boyscout or something got hurt.
TLDR he is a good guy working on a hard cause.

Edit: replace Aric with 20kn. I am retarded. Sorry 20kn.

J Hazard wrote:Eric despite despite the blanket statement that Aric dropped, I think the guy knows more about the work it takes to open a crag than you may. If my detective work is right Aric is probably working on reopening some of Hawaiis crags which I believe we're closed because a boyscout or something got hurt. TLDR he is a good guy working on a hard cause.

This quote is beautiful. It must be preserved.

Thanks? I have a feeling you are being sarcastic but I can't quite figure it out.