f/a team's

Why do so many people who add climbs to the data base not include the names of the f/a team ? Doesn't anyone think this is important ???

I just happened to notice this for Half Dome NW face- the first really big wall done in the Valley and who did the f/a doesn't matter ?

Let's try a little history, it won't hurt.

A lot of people don't know who the FA team is. If you know the FA, post it in a comment. Eventually it will get added.

Wish this were Facebook. I'd click "likes this."

likes John's and Shawn's comments.

Is pretty sure that when the fa is not listed its b/c they don't know who it was; likewise when they do it is listed.

Maybe they should try A LITTLE to find out ?

maybe you should try a little to find out...

I agree the Fa's names would be awesome and if someone is posting a route they should do a little research into finding out the info, or make a request for it in the description. especially when there is a good guidebook for the area or other well published ways of getting the information.

it was me.

john strand wrote:Maybe they should try A LITTLE to find out ?

I agree that it is important to make an effort to give the FA's credit. For major routes like the dome, it should be pretty obvious.

However, FA's are often unknown or unclear. Given this, I understand why so many routes are missing this information. I would personally rather have the route listed sans FA than not have the info. FA is more of a historical piece of information that a necesary bit to climb a route.

If someone knows the FA, speak up and post up. Otherwise, just post the route and ask for the communities help to figure it out.

Evan

JJ Brunner wrote:maybe you should try a little to find out...

Except that I know

this thread just turned STUPID!

If you know and you care, contact the submitter. If you don't want to share, stop complaining.

Should only people who know the FA be able to post a route?

Seems like most of the FA's I've done are as a big team. As in, I end up dragging 4 or 5 of my friends to help me clean and send a project. My poor climbing partners endure a surprising amount of cleaning and chossgardening with me. I never know how to include everyone or whether or not I should.

I guess one of the cool parts of adding a route to the database is that you can have the primary two guys in the FA line and then put the rest of your friends in the body of the description? Hope that is good enough because that's how I did it.

Evan1984 wrote:this thread just turned STUPID! If you know and you care, contact the submitter. If you don't want to share, stop complaining. Should only people who know the FA be able to post a route?

I'm not sating that only people who know the f/a should post. I am saying that try to do a complete job. As in my initial example- Half Dome. If you really don't know or care who did the f/a, then maybe wait for some one else to post it rather than rush to get your " submitted by".
It's like people who have not done a climb or at least tried it who then submit it. How do you know ? or did you just copy from another guidebook ?

john strand wrote: If you really don't know or care who did the f/a, then maybe wait for some one else to post it rather than rush to get your " submitted by".

The flip side to this is that who FA'd the climb doesn't really affect my climb; sure, it has historical significance, but the FA is not really on my mind when I'm sacking up to lead something.

The description, however, does need to be reasonably accurate. I'd agree that someone should have good knowledge of a the techinical aspects of a climb before posting it for others.

I'd rather have the information, partial or not, than not have it posted because someone doesn't know someone's name.

All this said, I've never encountered a route posting that wasn't reasonably accurate and don't think we need to be imposing rules and regulations to MP.

Just my 2 cents,
Evan

PS: I don't think there's a lot of pride in submitting a route.

I don't think we should impose rules either. Sometimes the f/a team DOES affect my decisions about a route, Some people just don't put up good lines or bad bolts etc. Other s generally do good, quality f/a's