Is it a send?

Colorado State would be better (wink)

Nice job David. Don't be peeved, be happy man!!! 5.13 is hard, inside or out.

To comment on what others have said, you should be happy about sending a 5.13 gym route because it is an accomplishment. Nonetheless, it is a different accomplishment than sending a 5.13 outside. I wouldn't be as harsh as Eli about it, but I do understand where he is coming from. I climb at a pretty consistent grade inside, but that gets knocked down a few grades outside, and thus for myself, I consider whatever I climb outside to be the measuring stick. This is just a personal thing though, and nobody else can tell you what your own value for any given climb, outside or inside, is worth. Is an ascent of the Nose worth any less if you french free a bunch of it? Nobody else can tell you that, its personal.

Sounds a little bit like the story posted in one of the mags many years ago when Fred Nicole was doing a first ascent of a hard boulder problem in Yosemite and accidentally kicked his spotter. There is a view (which I generally agree with) than any contact with a spotter invalidates a send.
But old Fred-he called it good since in his view the kick didn't make the send. He said something like "I only climb for myself."
The Yos hot shots acted all butt hurt for awhile and held it against him--this was early in Fred's trips to the US and they didn't realize he was quite a ways ahead of the leading US boulderers of the time, and it was just another mid-grade tick of many for him. In retrospect, if Fred called it good, it was good. So David--you get it call it--unless you're in a competition with defined rules, in which case they govern.
Apologies if I messed up the story (and I'll edit this post if anyone corrects me)--this is based on my memory from reading the story, no first hand info.

I've learned well from my British wife how to 'take the piss' out of ya'll...can be fun sometimes.

As I often say about climbing, "It's all good as long as you're having fun and not hurting anything" (the Pachamama).

Still, pulling on plastic is kinda lame unless there are no other alternatives. Kinda like calling masturbation "having sex". Whatever works for ya!

Climb on, bro!

Masturbating ain't sex, and pulling on plastic ain't sinking jams up in the Winds, nonetheless they're both fun.....

Calling plastic lame.....Eli, you have been living too close to heaven for too long. Move to [add midwestern state here] and we'll talk!!!

Cheers.

pfwein wrote:Sounds a little bit like the story posted in one of the mags many years ago when Fred Nicole was doing a first ascent of a hard boulder problem in Yosemite and accidentally kicked his spotter. There is a view (which I generally agree with) than any contact with a spotter invalidates a send. But old Fred-he called it good since in his view the kick didn't make the send. He said something like "I only climb for myself."

This was in reference to a quick and early ascent, though not the FA of Dominator which at the time ws the hardest problem in Yosemite. In conclusion the author also stated that perhapse it was not so important because Fred is the Dominator.. or something along those lines.

Which gym are you at in FL?
Since that could make a big difference.

Yea I climb at least a couple letter grades harder outside than in, and I have practiced A LOT, so I don 't think indoor climbing is easy at all. Don't let the whiners get ya down David, you are rocking and they are jealous. I know that everyone who has posted is wishing they had been cranking .13's at 14.

The best part is.....it was just the first one. In 23 years when you are an old guy like me you will probably have climbed a few hundred, as well as a couple dozen .14's as well.

Keep cranking!

Seems to me the question you're asking yourself is whether you're a 5.13 climber. If you are, you should be able to go back and do the route again. If you can't, well, keep at it until you can and feel confident saying you can climb 13.

Whether being able to climb 13 indoor translates to being able to do it outdoor is something you'll have to find out for yourself.

Not to get too zen-like, but the number assigned to any route, indoors or out, is pretty much irrelevant. Did you do your best? Did you push your limits? Did you enjoy yourself? Did it really feel any harder than your first 12c or first 12d?

Read the Arno Ilgner book - if you pay attention to what he is saying you will understand that your question is really not worth asking. Just go be.

Leveille wrote:as long as the ladies were down with it, its a send

Best answer.