Indian Creek Photos/corrections/additions

Hi Everyone, I'm new to MP, but I'd like to take this opportunity to let y'all know that a 2nd edition of the Creek guide is coming soon. Thank you all for your diligent work on the route database, I've pored through it extensively. If you know of routes that aren't in the database yet or have any corrections, omissions etc. the time is now to send them in. Best to send directly to heidi@sharpendbooks.com
In addition The Sharp End is also soliciting photos fotr the new book. Digital submissions or scanned slides only at 140dpi. Please don't send super hi res images, they'll do that later. For your efforts they will pay $30 per photo and give you a guidebook.Please include cliff name,climber name and route name for each shot. They are willing to buy multiple photos from anyone if the stuff is good.They're also looking for photos for the 2009 Women of Climbing calendar. If you have any info or pics and would like to share, I'm trying to make the new guide better than the first. Thanks Very Much, The Doctor

You mean there are going to be be pictures of people besides yourself in the new book? And all the places that you can still go in the creek that are secluded are going to be swarming with people? Sweat!

LDM and JL: laughable.

Hi everyone, I'm new to MP but I wanted you all to know that the 1st edition of 'Climbing Guide Authors of Climbing Guides' will soon be available, along with the accompanying nude calander. Its almost complete, but we're still looking for more calander photos to complete the loincloth layout. For those of you especially fond of our guidebook authors, we're working on a spread depicting the doctor and fred knapp racing eachother up the un-named and 3am, each w/ all of their respective 'works' clipped to their asses....

Just so everyone is clear: John Langston and LDM are the only people allowed to climb at the creek. They are the true hard men who did all the first ascents and discovered all the cool crags. No one would have ever heard of the creek if it hadn't been for the Evil Doctor.

why can't you out of staters GO FUCK UP YOUR OWN STATE and leave utah alone and in addition BOYCOTT ALL SHARP END PUBLICATIONS!

someone should buy john langston a beer!

the doctor must be a pretty bad doctor if he has to supplement his income with that from a guide book!

oldfattradguuy wrote:why can't you out of staters GO FUCK UP YOUR OWN STATE and leave utah alone..

I wonder what Utah's Travel and Tourism Board would say about that statement. LOL. I moved to Colorado not too long ago, and I have yet to climb at IC. I will, however, be making a trip there later this winter or next spring. I will not be "[fucking up]..[Utah]" nor will I "fuck up" IC.

In fact, I'll probably carry someone else's trash out. I usually carry out any unclaimed trash from the crags that I go to. Some of that trash might even be from a Utahan! Perish the thought! Because only out-of-staters trash the IC I'm sure.

I can't speak to the effects of the new guidebooks on IC, but oldfattradguuy's statement is quite selfish, IMO.

oldfattradguuy: When did Utah cede from the nation? I would consider moving there if it weren't for all of the ridiculous laws.

--Marc

Hummmm.....the doctor joins mountain project and......

Post 1- Graciously offers to hook up with someone visiting Southern Arizona

Post 2 - Notifies us that his new guidebook is in the works and wants any updated information so the guide is as accurate as possible AND states that the publisher is paying for fresh photo's to be showcased

Post 3 - Fun interaction of a recent trip to IC for Sushifest of which was miserable on many accounts but he'd never say that

Yup, you guys sold me. That Doctor is a jerkoff!!

Susan

Marc Horan wrote: Some of that trash might even be from a Utahan!

I believe that it is Utard not UTAHAN.

Hopefully, the Doctor and Knappaweed will realize that they are making a climbing book rather than a coffe table book. DullEnd publishing has very serious issues with durability.

Bob D'Antonio wrote: Also...I would love to be around if you ever say that to Timmy in person...you be the only people walking around with something up his ass.

That's some funny sh*t! :)

John Langston wrote:I did my first climb in Indian Creek in about 99'

I was dreamin' when I wrote this
Forgive me if it goes astray
But when I woke up this mornin'
Could have sworn it was judgment day

The sky was all purple
There were people runnin' everywhere
Tryin' to run from the destruction
You know I didn't even care

They say two thousand zero, zero, party over,
Oops, out of time!
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999!

I was dreamin' when I wrote this
So sue me if I go too fast
But life is just a party
And parties weren't meant to last

War is all around us
My mind says prepare to fight
So if I gotta die
I'm gonna listen to my body tonight

They say two thousand zero, zero, party over,
Oops, out of time!
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999!
1999!

If you didn't come to party
Don't bother knockin' on my door
I got a lion in my pocket
And baby, he's ready to roar

Yeah, everybody's got a bomb
We could all die any day
But before I'll let that happen
I'll dance my life away

They say two thousand zero, zero, party over,
Oops, out of time!
(We're runnin' outta time)
So tonight we're gonna party like it's 1999!

Say, say,
Two thousand zero, zero, party over,
Oops, out of time!
So tonight we're gonna party like it's 1999!

Alright, it's 1999!

You say it, 1999!

1999!

1999! Don't stop, don't stop, say it 1 more time!

1999!

More like thirty years!

I did my first climb at IC in 1987 and camped below supercrack buttress on that trip. It has changed alot since then - for the worse - but I don't think David Bloom should have to listen to personal attacks because he helped produce a very nice guidebook. I can buy a guidebook for every climbing area in the world, why should the creek be any different? Maybe we should blame Black Diamond and Metolius, those fancy camming devices are what make the creek so popular.

John Langston wrote:Doctor, I mean this in the nicest way possible......snip......Please go fuck up somewhere else, you've already fucked up the creek.

That's nice? Where's the Christmas spirit?

John Langston wrote: My dogless, chalkless, raveless, small group, cleaning up my own mess, and others' messes, quiet camping impact does seem to be less than what we've come to accept as as normal out there though.

I noticed you didn't mention "guideless"

~Susan

why is the topic of IC always an asswipe & sausage fest?

Everywhere you go is crowded, especially if it is a world class climbing area like the Creek. The last time I was at the creek people were everywhere, dogs running wild, people camped at the base of cat wall etc.... I still had a rad time and hope to get back soon.

Err you mean DullEnd.

this is what I am saying: build a book that doesn't fall apart when you take it climbing. Remember the SEWN binding????

Fellas, fellas; what the place needs is sandstone nudes & more cowbell.

If only there was some way to create something like an online guidebook that people could download for free. Maybe it could still even have pictures, too. That would be a cool project.

Oh good. I get to rant about the "spitter" camps again. Mr Bloom was honest about his intention to profit and bring more to the Creek.It's obvious that if you write a guide book you are hoping that people buy and use it. The splitter camp folks use hypocritcal rhetoric to say they are preserving the creek but in reality developed,promote and institutionized the "Crag Domination" theory. One leader, many topropes, I got here first and you can toprope it "maybe" if my paying clients are cool with it. Let's just get it over with and turn the place into a area with parking lot camping , tee times, and rangers to keep everyone in line.
I am just grateful that I can feast on my memories of days gone by. They are mine for keeps.