Have you bought "Pawn Sop" gear?

Is this better? I guess its on then.
Vick

It sounds like you might just want to head out with someone who has a little more experience and gear. This is especially true if you don't have experience placing cams.

That said, almost all the routes are bolted. I don't think you will really find much use for your cams. you definitely need more draws though, probably about a dozen will get you up most routes. How long is your rope? You do have a belay device, right?

-Jordan

Buying a second hand rope isnt something to be taken lightly unless you know and trust the source. Careful, it may have been a good deal but may not be worth it in the end. As Jordan said, make sure you get outside with someone who is experienced to learn the ins and outs. Obviously things can get complicated very fast when you are outside by yourself. Just dont get to far ahead of yourself. I give this criticism with the best of intentions. Looking back at my first season i am slightly surprised that I survived. Have fun. Dane

ƒ¼ Thanks you ƒ¼ both for your sincerest replies sic Jordan and Dane however, I¡¦m feeling really confident in my 5.12 climbing ability. The routes at the rock gym are really hard. A belaying device, do you mean a partner? I know this one guy at my work that can go with me on condition that I can find someone who can cover his shift. My question is why can¡¦t I use my cams at Shelfs Road? Is it a local law which prohibits climbers from using cams in this climbing place? Where can I go to use my cams? I¡¦m not sure how long my rope is; I guess it¡¦s about 40-50 meters. How long should it be? Where else can I go to get cheap quick draws? I really don¡¦t want to invest a great deal of money in equipment in view of the fact that I may not take much pleasure in climbing out of doors quite as much as climbing indoors. I don¡¦t think it can be as conditioning as working out in the gym.
Many blessing and thanks
Victor

Victor Steffaan wrote:Thanks for the sincere replies Jordan and Dane however, I really feel confident in my 5.12 climbing ability. The routes at the rock gym are really hard. A belay device, do you mean a partner? I know this one guy at my work that can go with me on condition that I can influence him to try something innovative and exigent. My question is why can�t I use my cams at shelf road? Is it illegal? Where can I go to use my cams? I�m not sure how long my rope is; I guess it�s about 40-50 feet. How do I find out how long it is? How long should it be? Where else can I go to get cheap quick draws? I really don�t want to invest a great deal of money in equipment since I may not take pleasure in climbing outside quite as much as climbing indoors. I don�t think it can be as conditioning as working out in the gym.

Hi Victor,

My style is forthright, so please take my advice at face value.

Your comments clearly indicate your lack of experience. This is neither good nor bad. It just is. What it tells me is that you would be putting yourself directly in the path of serious danger by not first seeking out some proper training in the use of gear protection. Without an understanding of gear placement, there are numerous ways in which you could easily - with your lack of understanding - create an accident waiting to happen.

I commend you on your athletic development, although you need to understand that physically making 5.12 moves has no baring on one's ability, or lack thereof, to safely manage ropes and protection devices on a real rock route.

The good news is that you could dramatically increase your understanding of and ability to safely enter the realm of traditional lead climbing by taking a few leading lessons from an AMGA-certified instructor. These lessons would be invaluable, and the knowledge gained could, quite literally, safe your life.

Good luck

Ken

Victor Steffaan wrote:A belaying device, do you mean a partner?

I'm getting a whiff of . . . something . . . the scent is familiar . . . is it . . . Troll? Or just patchouli?

JL

saxfiend wrote: I'm getting a whiff of . . . something . . . the scent is familiar . . . is it . . . Troll? Or just patchouli? JL

Buying gear at a pawnshop? Might not like climbing outdoors as much as in the gym? Is there a local law against using cams at Shelf Road? Buying a used 40-50m rope?

Sniff, sniff, ...smells like Troll to me.

I think ya'll are getting your leg pulled >>>>>

OK! OK! so I know someone that bought a rope and a few draws at a pawn shop. Whats different in letting someone barrow your rope and going around the corner and taking a few wippers on your rope?

Is this forum for real? Buying used gear at a "Pawn Shop" is like holding a loaded gun too your head!

If he is a troller, he probably strayed over here from RC.Com. They can't seem to help themselves over there.

Victor wrote: "at Ace pawn shop, I got a rope, a harness, 4 quick draws, and 3 cams for only $85.00 and I cant wait to go to Shelf Road to try it all out "

Best case scenario:
Perhaps the rope, harness and draws were brand new, never used and some poor unfortunate had to hock them to eat that night.

Worst case scenarion:
The rope, harness and draws have been stored in direct sunlight, or were kept in the hot trunk of a car, sitting on battery acid or worse.

Ken Cangi wrote:If he is a troller, he probably strayed over here from RC.Com. They can't seem to help themselves over there.

"Victor" is a brand-new member of Mountain Project who just registered on March 5th; maybe he did stray over here from another site.

"Victor", you got some good advice from Jordan, Dane, and Ken, but your score for this troll is only 5. (Yes, trolls do count the number of responses by people who took them seriously.)

If you want a higher score, don't be so obvious. Better still, contribute something of substance to this site instead of wasting people's time. But it was humorous while it lasted.

Ron, you are too funny! : )

Here's the one, and only Vegas Vic, hanging out at a souvenir shop. He's closer to the Glitter Gulch strip club than a pawn shop.

A troll. Thats a new one for me. And i thought i wasted a lot of time on MP. Come on Victor.

Dane Casterson wrote:A troll. Thats a new one for me. And i thought i wasted a lot of time on MP. Come on Victor.

Trolling started in the 1980s on Usenet, the newsgroup forerunner of the Internet. It expanded and came into full flower in the 1990s with the advent of the Internet and on-line forums. Virtually every on-line forum will attract some trolls. Here at Mountain Project, we've been fortunate to only have a few. Back in the old climbingboulder.com days, we had some famous trolls like Boss McGillicutty and Sven Lavransen (not to be confused with the pale imitation Sven Lavrasen now putting forth weak efforts on MP.com).

Sadly, Boss's spewings are gathering dust in the archives of climbingboulder.com, but Sven Lavransen's contributions can still be perused by MP.com users; see Hands of Destiny for one of his better efforts. His comments on the "4-plan" are classic. His write-up of Verve is classic as well. You would expect a high-quality troll from someone like Matt Samet (Sven's alter-ego) who has great writing as well as climbing ability.

Wikipedia has a good discussion of trolls; check it out if this is a new concept for you.

Good to know. What would be even better Ron is if you had successfully suckered me in again! Actually, i read a little bit on Hands of Destiny and couldnt believe what an ass Sven was. Thats 2 for 2. I am starting to wonder what else has gone over my head!?!

Crap, this is a troll? Heck, I was running to the pawn shop.

"Don't Feed The Troll" - good one.

Dane Casterson wrote:Good to know. What would be even better Ron is if you had successfully suckered me in again! Actually, i read a little bit on Hands of Destiny and couldnt believe what an ass Sven was. Thats 2 for 2. I am starting to wonder what else has gone over my head!?!

Trolls are popping out of the woodwork lately; check out the B.J. Schmegma comment on Wonderland. If you think this is a serious comment, check the Urban Dictionary definition of Schmegma. Then you'll know what "B.J." refers to.

[EDIT: B.J's comment on Wonderland has been deleted by an admin. It said there was a way to get across the creek by swinging on a rope swing to a giant stone in the middle, then balancing on a fallen pine tree the rest of the way. Until I pointed out that this was an obvious troll, an admin (on very little sleep) had actually incorporated this BS into the area description!]

A fairly transparent effort; weak sauce by my trolling standards.

Dane Casterson wrote: I am starting to wonder what else has gone over my head!?!

Don't feel bad. I should have sniffed this one out immediately, considering how much time I spent on RC.Com last year.

Hey, Ron, I just found out what trolls eat.

"TROLLS like to eat high C, bird bones, barbie heads, bean bags and bike tires."

:>) Hello ;)
Bearing in mind the amount of feedback I have received from this website, I don’t think it prudent on my part to procure any more climbing gear from the pawn shop. I really do appreciate all the help.

With the gear I do have, where could I find a decent place to learn proper gear placement procedures? I know I’m not as experienced in climbing outside as your typical outdoor climbing enthusiast (as you have discovered).
Thank You
Vick