Bolt chopping

If the dudes bitching about bolts were that worried about "ethics" and preservation, they wouldn't use chalk which marks up the rock. Nor would they use METAL mechanical devices which scrape up the cracks. Oh yea, you also shouldn't wear shoes because they leave black shit all over the rock. Hey "ethical" guys, your logic is laughable at best. Work that one out next time your climbing without cams, shoes, or chock if you want some ethics. And long before you were worried about your petty ethics, dudes were pounding pitons in. Hypocrite much?

Rockbanned wrote:If the dudes bitching about bolts were that worried about "ethics" and preservation, they wouldn't use chalk which marks up the rock. Nor would they use METAL mechanical devices which scrape up the cracks. Oh yea, you also shouldn't wear shoes because they leave black shit all over the rock.....

If you stopped using oxygen I think we'd all appreciate it.

i believe in tacos.

burritos > tacos

SexPanther aka Kiedis wrote: One day, I will buy you a beer for this. Well played. Almost sound like jake jones.

or you, one of the two

cerveza + burrito = valhalla

jeff lebowski wrote: If you stopped using oxygen I think we'd all appreciate it.

Witty... My but your quick... You must be an "ethical" person...

SexPanther aka Kiedis wrote: ^^^^^^Every now and then, someone comes along and really raises the gibberish bar. Hats off, sir. Chapeau. Cheval. Camembert.

it's actually a fact dude. in a few places they don't use anything but knots to climb. no chalk, no trad gear because of what I pointed out above. Ever been to an area after a group gets done climbing there? Chalk marks all over etc... If it really were an ethics thing, they be more like those dudes that use nothing and free solo mostly. Watch Reel Rock, it had a whole segment with Honnold, and these old dudes that have TRUE ethics. The rest of these dudes are just a bunch of johnny come lately. And when someone else points out a valid point they poke childish jabs at said person. Basically the ethics of trad climbers is one of these current times with current gear. I climb both, I appreciate both. I don't believe in bolting when there's cracks or places for gear, but thats an opinion. The "ethics" these dudes are blabbing about is a pile of shit. Stop breathing? Talk gibberish? Seriously... If that's the best someone can come up with when discussing the validity of rock preservation, they should shut down their computer and actually go climb instead of posting on here all day and heckling people that have a brain. This is an interesting site to read while I'm at work. I say this because the rest of the time I'm actually out climbing. Something I'd say about 70% of the people on here don't do more than once or twice a year.

Rockbanned wrote: This is an interesting site to read while I'm at work. I say this because the rest of the time I'm actually out climbing. Something I'd say about 70% of the people on here don't do more than once or twice a year.

It seems these days like I only get in a few days a year of actual climbing, the rest of the time I'm vandalizing the rock with my drill and creating nightmares for the ethical traddies from the internet.

MJMobes wrote: It seems these days like I only get in a few days a year of actual climbing, the rest of the time I'm vandalizing the rock with my drill and creating nightmares for the ethical traddies from the internet.

Sounds a lot like me. Few actual days of climbing and the rest of the time is spent having virtual pissing contests on here and removing bolts from routes.

Meme Guy wrote: Sounds a lot like me. Few actual days of climbing and the rest of the time is spent having virtual pissing contests on here and removing bolts from routes.

I cant wait to move to NC in the fall, we'll have to exchange memes sometime!