Dog rant

Brandon Rwrote:

Some of the advice on dog care here, albeit well-meaning, really shows a limited experience IMO. At least in my area, doggy daycare is at least double that in cost, and has very difficult pick-up and drop-off times that are not conducive to a climbing day-trip. Overnights are a lot more. And they all seem to require a paid "meet and greet" of several hours before they accept you as a client, IF they even have room for you at all. Maybe your areas are different. Still, I do sometimes use those options when my SO and I want to go to a crag where dogs aren't allowed or we want to do multipitch. Those suggesting to "just put it on a leash" don't realize that many dogs behave much worse when on a leash than when not. Some get defensive, some just try like hell to escape. We use an e-collar (with tone/vibrate/shock option), which has worked wonders with training, and I'd highly recommend for those with unruly dogs.  Also, a giant eye-roll to anyone who's making armchair psychoanalysis of the reasons one might have a pet. What may be true for you, isn't necessarily true for others. And what may seem like such an obvious and simple solution to you, may not be when you actually have to do it.  

And to my dearest Jordan... I only called you those big meanie names when you repeatedly mischaracterized (whether intentionally trolling or just due to reading issues, IDK) what I actually said. I do acknowledge that there are bad crag dog situations at certain areas that should be remedied. IDK if you just have a blind spot for the several times I've said as much, but I have. What I don't care for is people on the internet making judgement calls about other people based on their experiences with yet again completely different people. And people making absolute statements based on X number of bad experiences, but not factoring in the (X + 1000) good or neutral experiences. And there has been PLENTY of that here, even if I don't count the extremists stances displayed by the "tough guys" and GRUNT GRUNTs of the forum. Judging by your last couple posts, I probably don't disagree with you as much as you want to believe I do. I do still think you're a lost cause though, due to the previously mentioned reasons (gaslighting troll or just a high-funtioning, verbose r-tard -- go ahead and report me to HR). And I do still think this thread is mostly pointless, due to the over generalization, miscommunication, and militant attitudes from many (but not all). Then again, I suppose I should expect that in a thread titled "dog rant"... my bad.   

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Dogs can be fun, sometimes not. That hot load that is separated from your hand with a thin layer of plastic is definitely memorable and not all that convenient most of the time which is one reason I do separate outings now. The last thing i want to stuff in my pack at the end of the day is multiple bags of stinky mud, its so much easier on a regular hike. Plus I don't have to worry about someone stabbing my dog.

Whodunnit? Adam Burch in the crag piss spot with the David K.. 

My biggest hassle taking my dog to the crag is the garbage climbers bring with them. Years of training and he can get in any rucksack but nowadays he's likely to bring back some vegan muck or worse. The retraining is slow but getting there, at least now he'll identify power bars, rip the packaging and piss on them, tofu is next up.

Adam Burch wrote:

yes you do.

you always do.

I am ubiquitous.

I am eternal.

I AM INEVITABLE.

You're none of those things.  

Especially if you bring a knife to gun fight.  Now if you attached a bonnet to a gun,  you'd be unstoppable.  ;)

Better yet, just stay out of the stabby and shootie situations.  I want to be able to see more of your great knife work! 

I stopped bringing my dog to the crag after her third stabbing. We’d given it a good college try but it was too much. All those climbers and their custom knives had won.

Ya'll are stabbing dogs? Thats barbaric; 115gr hollow points put em down easy. 

When Burch stabs dogs with the David k they sometimes survive. The hollow point doesn’t really leave any survivors. He’s not always trying to kill the dog, just teach the owner a lesson about how to live in a society. 

Rasputin NLNwrote:

Ya'll are stabbing dogs? Thats barbaric; 115gr hollow points put em down easy. 

Armed climbers.  

Boulders - sub compact .380's

Sport  - compact 9mm

Trad  - full size .45ACP, maybe a flintlock if they're feeling old school

Aid  - long guns

Ice  - no guns, just knives  actually no knives, just ice tools.

Mountaineers - call in artillery strike with a mortar carried and set up by the sherpas 

Alpine - a sling and a rock - gotta go lightweight

It’s true, climbers are too busy mirin their prodge to give a good, focused stabbity doo, and the David K. is more of an annoyance than any kind of real deterrent.

Chad Millerwrote:

Armed climbers.  

Boulders - sub compact .380's

Sport  - compact 9mm

Trad  - full size .45ACP

Aid  - long guns

Ice  - no guns, just knives

Mountaineers - call in artillery strike

Alpine - a sling and a rock - gotta go lightweight

Shouldn’t trad climbers use something more traditional, like a muzzle loader or a trebuchet?

Klaus theKwrote:

Shouldn’t trad climbers use something more traditional, like a muzzle loader or a trebuchet?

Maybe old school mountaineers would use a trebuchet.  I do have a flintlock in there for if a tradie is feeling really old school.  If not a full size 1911 in .45APC is old school.  

Most trad climbers are not so twisted up about dogs. We tend to pet them or kick them, depending on circumstances. We definitely don't treat them like mini-me humans.

Chad Millerwrote:

Armed climbers.  

Boulders - sub compact .380's

Sport  - compact 9mm

Trad  - full size .45ACP, maybe a flintlock if they're feeling old school

Aid  - long guns

Ice  - no guns, just knives  actually no knives, just ice tools.

Mountaineers - call in artillery strike with a mortar carried and set up by the sherpas 

Alpine - a sling and a rock - gotta go lightweight

Ice climbers are pretty much totally geared up to slash dogs, ropes, belayers, bystanders, expensive clothing, themselves....even just hanging around trying to get a thermos open with gloves on. 

Everyone else packing other weaponry is weak sauce.

Only possible exception is OW climbers. Those giant cams. And enough tape to subdue a pachyderm.

Boulderers should only be body slamming from above, for proper style.

Best, H.

Adam Burch wrote:

I'm cracking up that we're nonchalantly chatting about stabbing dogs with "the David K"

Fucking lol.

Before I hit the office today, I was painstakingly acid-etching this blade and polishing with oil/silicon carbide powder to bring out the hamon, but it is slow going.  How am I supposed to disembowel canines or white nationalists from Orange County if it's gonna take this long?!?!

Chainsaw and a hockey mask?  

I'd love to have your knives, because of the craftsmanship and artistry....

But then I'd not want to use something so beautiful for workhorse purposes.

My in between are the knives my dad made for me when I left home. Just simple, functional blades with antler handles.

They're closing in on 50 years of use.

Best, Helen

Not the breed, but how they were (mis)treated by their owners...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/08/us/tennessee-dogs-kill-toddler-baby/index.html

The assorted articles demonstrate that if you stab or shoot a dog in the US, even if the law is seemingly on your side, the justice system might not take kindly to your actions.

People on this thread who take about "taking responsible action" to injure or kills dogs might be putting themselves and their families at more risk than they think.  For example, carrying a knife to stab a threatening dog, or a dog who you perceive to be a threat (big gray area) might seem like the responsaible and correct thing to do (if you follow a certain kind of logic) but it could easily expose you to serious legal charges, which of course would be terrible and destructive for you and your family.  

These articles are just a small sample; the Google hits just keep going. In many cases, the assailants faced real charges.

https://www.fox26houston.com/news/man-charged-with-animal-cruelty-after-stabbing-dog-in-stomach-neck

https://www.bangordailynews.com/2022/10/02/news/aroostook/aroostook-man-arrested-dog-death/

https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/one-arrested-after-video-shows-man-fatally-stabbing-dog/

https://www.news9.com/story/62603d025fa2f4070e27d246/broken-arrow-man-accused-of-stabbing-neighbors-dog

https://patch.com/connecticut/ledyard/man-charged-stabbing-dog-ledyard-police

Marc801 Cwrote:

Not the breed, but how they were (mis)treated by their owners...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/08/us/tennessee-dogs-kill-toddler-baby/index.html

I heard one or both of the pit dogs had been with the family 8 years before killing the kids. 

Bruno Schullwrote:

The assorted articles demonstrate that if you stab or shoot a dog in the US, even if the law is seemingly on your side, the justice system might not take kindly to your actions.

People on this thread who take about "taking responsible action" to injure or kills dogs might be putting themselves and their families at more risk than they think.  For example, carrying a knife to stab a threatening dog, or a dog who you perceive to be a threat (big gray area) might seem like the responsaible and correct thing to do (if you follow a certain kind of logic) but it could easily expose you to serious legal charges, which of course would be terrible and destructive for you and your family.  

These articles are just a small sample; the Google hits just keep going. In many cases, the assailants faced real charges.

https://www.valleycentral.com/news/local-news/one-arrested-after-video-shows-man-fatally-stabbing-dog/

“CCSO received a video anonymously that shows Pandora running away from a man. The dog then laid on her back “in a submissive manner” and the man with the knife is seen stabbing Pandora repeatedly.”

This seems…somewhat unrelated to the topic  

I swear people complain about dogs ad museum.