Issue with Online Proselytizing (Trigger Warning)
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JonasMR wrote: My understanding was that apologies were given and these crimes are no longer being committed. If I'm mistaken, then I agree with you. Not sure what you are saying about pushing agendas. Sounds a bit like culture war paranoia ;) |
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Yoda Jedi Knight wrote: Oh, you know I don't like them culture warriors. Even the ones with the fancy hats. The Pope declined to offer an apology, the archbishopric of Canada did apologize. If I'm remembering it correctly. But also, many of the genocidal acts weren't crimes. They were backed by the full force of the government. Aside from the high-profile accusations of covering up kiddy diddling, I don't think the Church is accused of crimes for their actions now. Just like it wasn't accused of any crimes then. Not sure puts them morally in the clear (then or now), though. |
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JonasMR wrote: Yes. And not just after an apology. Rather, after taking a transparent step or two towards understanding what happened and, where problems are found, after making systematic changes to prevent recurrence. Or given a history of intransigence, accept it can’t be fixed and dissolve. Most could “let it go” when the outcome is either of the above two. |
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Will you condemn Muslims for their atrocities with equal vehemence as you condemn Catholics? |
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FrankPS wrote: Yes, obviously. I don't know who you think those people are that are all like, "hooray for 9-11!" All the religious folks have their baggage. This has been specifically covered in several posts on this thread. Are you forgetting to read before posting again? Edit for snowcreek below: Again, the individuals aren't being held responsible for anything. The organization that has not acknowledged or tried to make amends for their actions is. That distinction has also been covered by many many posts in this thread. |
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FrankPS wrote: Personally, yes. Of course I'm not sure what that has to do with the current discussion given that there isn't exactly a history of North American political support, engagement, entwinement, and coverups with the Muslim faith. But carry on with your whataboutism. |
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FrankPS wrote: I have yet to see Muslims proselytizing here. Christians, yes. Muslims, no. Still, I suspect my reaction would be the same. Yeah, there are whackos in every organization. The trouble with ideologies like the ones you mentioned is that there is just One Way to Paradise, Only bad people aren’t following The Way, God is on the side of believers, and believers know God’s will in concrete ways. And then we are at “the end justifies the means to get there”. What steps against that can any organization take from within? So it has and will lead to these kinds of atrocities and so these kinds of discussions. It’d be no different if Muslims were proselytizing here, IMHO. Christianity is not that special .... except to believers in it. |
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FrankPS wrote: Mainstream religions are simply popular cults! Condemning any of them or anyone ain’t gonna cut it really! A renaissance in logic and empathy could! |
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Truth and Reconciliation Commission identified: |
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Yury wrote: well, from the first article you link to it says the actual count is likely “far higher”. |
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petzl logic wrote: Let's wait until the number of the graves is confirmed. I doubt very much that the number is “far higher”. |
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Let's wait, but it seems to me |
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Boy, I sure hope it turns out it's the good number of children that died, and not the bad number of dead children. Remind me again what the totally ok number of dead kids is? I'm really enjoying the argument between Yury and Yury. I'm not sure if I'm with the one that thinks the Commission is nonsense and couldn't collect facts, or the one that thinks the Commission counted every last child that died. They both make really goo... well they both definitely make poi... they certainly both type on their keyboards. I hope Yury wins. |
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According to Conrad Black: |
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petzl logic wrote: "Hoax confirmed: Excavation of Canada’s Native American “child mass graves” reveals zero bodies." |
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Yury wrote: They still diddle kids though. |
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Jaren Watson wrote: Mountainproject haters, who were willingly retransmitting official government racist hate propaganda that was based on lies, are not willing to apologize. |
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We need a separation of church and sending. End of story. |
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Doug S wrote: Climbing hell: A climb that one can never redpoint, and you get bloody fingers, stiff joints and worse attempting to. But you're never injured so much that you can't climb. |
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Yury wrote: You're precious. |