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Joshua Tree N.P. Climbing Management Plan
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Attn: Joshua Tree N.P. vertical world adventurers. JTNP is preparing a new Climbing Management Plan that will govern climbing activities for the next 15-20 years. If you want to be involved and have your voice heard, sign up on the park's link. This will keep you in the loop on when, where & how to voice your opinion. |
Interested to knowing about this plan, and what changes it could have on climbing in the park. Are you able to share what you’ve heard so far? |
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Nothing has been decided so far but some of the subjects are Native American access / sites , bolts / Hidden valley campground going to reservation only / social trails / crowds / parking / gym to crag. I think you get the idea. |
Johnny Victorwrote: Right on. Thanks. |
Alex Cwrote: check out the park link Virtual Public Climbing Management Plan Meeting https://www.nps.gov/jotr/getinvolved/climbingplan.htm |
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CMP Save the Date https://www.nps.gov/jotr/getinvolved/climbingplan.htm Virtual Public Climbing Management Plan Meeting Check out this link |
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This is the next step https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=310&projectID=90517&documentID=111591 answer these questions and the park will be able to draft a better CMP. This page is only open til June 13th |
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Bump. Thanks Johnny for posting this! Anyone wishing to participate in the public comment period should do so here: Link: https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=310&projectID=90517&documentID=111591 |
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Just posted my comments for what it's worth. It's only six quick questions about: - Climbing near petroglyphs - Creating official trails to climbs to prevent destruction of vegetation and soil - Whether bolts impact your wilderness experience - Where bolts should and shouldn't be - Who should determine which bolts should be replaced and when - The bolting permit process Here's that link again if you want to comment: https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=310&projectID=90517&documentID=111591 Open until June 13th |
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Check out this link from the AF about the CMP https://www.accessfund.org/take-action/campaigns/speak-up-to-protect-climbing-at-joshua-tree-national-park There is some great background information about climbing in the N.P.S. |
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Set your alarm for Friday July 23rd 10AM PT Than join us on Z1077fm.com to talk about the Joshua Tree National Park Climbing Management Plan. Call in with your questions 760-366-8471 FOJT Executive Director John Lauretig will be on the Up Close Show hosted by the one and only Gary Daigneault. Tune in to @z1077fm.joshuatree tomorrow, Friday https://z1077fm.com/ |
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How about doing something about guiding services covering the entirety of Indian cove in TRs... my solo circuit has ropes hanging on it constantly even when no one is climbing.. it's an Eye sore and just annoying. |
Potter Wonderlandwrote: Have you signed up on the Park website to keep current on when the next public comment period will happen ? |
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The next round of public comment for Joshua Tree N.P. CMP is now open https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/1659c1767cea4f53b202abb014224847 this link will set you up. The park will accept comments from January 13 through February 27, 2022. For additional information, including information about an upcoming public meeting on February 8, 2022, please visit the Climbing Management Plan website at: nps.gov/jotr/getinvolved/cl…. |
Johnny Victorwrote: just read through the report on the link you posted. thanks for that. pretty massively complex set of problems. hats off to those trying to get this sorted in a climber friendly and sustainable way. are there climbers that have been involved / up to speed on this process, that feel good about this? will this have a ripple effect to other national parks? at the surface it mostly seems reasonable, but having seen how things went so south in Australia, Im more cautious that cautiously optimistic. for example; Anchors/bolts. In cooperation with climbing partners, the park would implement bolting/rebolting projects on select routes in priority areas that would (1) replace fixed anchors where needed for climber safety (including in wilderness, where appropriate); (2) evaluate and, if determined inappropriate, remove bolt-intensive routes to comply with the Wilderness Act and address natural and cultural resource concerns; and (3) fill and camouflage abandoned bolt holes. 1) seems great, in its acknowledgement/recognition of the occasional need for anchors in the wilderness. 2) can of worms? who decides if a bolt or series of bolts is appropriate or not? mega classic test piece with some bolts? botched ugly bolt ladder? someone decides to actually put a bolt on double cross? someone puts an anchor above championship wrestling to do away with that tat/sling mess? it's not clear what the criteria is, and who decides. does this language improve the status quo or does it lead to possibly making things worse? will a silver volvo ruin everyones fun? the rising crowds are requiring a new management plan, but it seems like getting land managers involved with bolting has usually gone south. maybe that cant be avoided here? seems like we are constantly rehashing the Mather / Muir debate at the start of the parks. Maximum enjoyment for all who wish to enjoy, or untouched pristine sanctuaries at all costs. apologies for ending every single sentence with a question mark. I'm curious to hear peoples assessment of the current state of this process. |
