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Reslinging Totems to Match BD Color Scheme?

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Chris Stocking · · SLC, UT · Joined Aug 2019 · Points: 759

Got some Totem cams a while back and really like them, but am having a hard time wrapping my mind around the different color scheme. I know it shouldn't be that hard, but it's just more mental energy than I want to spend while on the wall. It seems like you if just reslung the black with yellow, and the yellow with black, you'd have a color scheme that almost perfectly matches the standard BD color progression. I suppose you could swap the orange sling for a yellow one too, but orange is at least close to yellow, so that one doesn't seem to bother me as much.

How dumb an idea is this? Anyone else done it? Will I regret doing it? I'm pretty sold on the idea, but figured I'd try to get a second opinion before I actually pull the trigger.

Nicholas Burr · · Utah · Joined Jul 2017 · Points: 0

I just use BD colors for my racking biner and that seems to do the trick for me.

Khoi · · Vancouver, BC · Joined Oct 2009 · Points: 50

The blue and yellow Totemcams approximately match the blue and yellow Metolius cams.

Black Diamond doesn't make a cam size denoted by the colour black, so I have no idea how making the sling on the yellow Totemcam black is supposed to help you achieve your goal...

C Limenski · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Mar 2016 · Points: 15

Similar to orange/yellow, I think he is compounding gray/black

Jason B · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2019 · Points: 0

They are (virtually) the same? For racking biners I just use a black on the black, grey on the yellow and a yellow on the orange.

Climb On · · Everywhere · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 0

I find it works better to think of them as their own colors rather than to try to convert them to a color scheme. For example, my blue X4 and black totem will fit many of the same places but because they have slightly different ranges I typically have my mind made up which one I prefer for a given location. I don’t want to fumble through two blue carabiners or two blue slings to find the one I want.

In my mind, my rack goes yellow (x4),  black (totem), blue (X4). It’s easier for me to expand the colors than to mentally convert. 

J D · · SC · Joined May 2017 · Points: 25

I agree with just racking them with carabiners colored the BD / WC way. Easy fix for you and it also makes it way easier for meeting up with others and climbing as most use that coloring for racking. At least around where I climb anyhow. 

Michael Atlas · · Charlotte, NC · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 85

Agree with the folks above.  For the most part they all match bd colors except for the black.  For my smaller cams i use the bd mini carabiners as it gives you a few more visual colors to choose from.

Bd zero i made mint green
Bd .1 is pink
Bd.2 is orange
Bd.3 is dark blue
Bd.4 is grey
Bd.5 is large purple

Use another color for the black totem(black mini biner?) As its its own unique size compared to aliens and bd z4s.  If you go the the z4 thread there is a pick of my rack laid out with the above.

Use cam-parison.com  to easy match up sizes for dif cams.  Then use the same biner on cams of the same sizes.  For example i have a green biner for both my green totem and green .75 z4 as they are basically the same

Kevin Mokracek · · Burbank · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 363

Wouldn’t it be easier to resling  BD cams to match your Totems if the color really bugs you that much?

greggrylls · · Salt Lake City · Joined Apr 2016 · Points: 276

BD color schemed carabiners is a good idea.

I don't mean this in a dick way.  Genuinely.

Climb more with them.  You'll figure out the sizing.  

 Really the only wildcards are black and yellow.  As said yellow is similar to a yellow metolius and black has almost identical range to a blue metolius.

A black is really not a .2 and not really a .3 either.  Right in the middle.

Does anyone resling totems yet in the US?  

al ex · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2016 · Points: 20

I haven't fond the need to match them with the color scheme of another brand. I just remember the range of each totem relative to BD and Metolius cams I also use. I know, for example, that if a yellow metolius is a bit tipped out, I reach for a yellow totem. I know if a blue metolius is just a tad tight, I reach for a black totem. If a purple totem is a touch big, reach for orange metolius, etc. 

Cole Darby · · Los Angeles, CA · Joined Sep 2017 · Points: 166

this shouldn't be a problem at all. if you are bored and looking for projects sure I guess, why not.

that said;

are you climbing lots of stuff that requires micro cam placements, and at the same time you don't have stances to place, and you are climbing at your limit in this hypothetical? Im guessing no.

do you have lots of microcams spread out across different brands (other than BD and Totem in this case)?

BD and Totem actually align better than most mixes. It's all the exact same excluding black, change totem yellow for grey c4, change orange totem for a better version of the yellow/gold #2 c4.

not trying to be rude. consider yourself well off for having totems and BD's. go climb more as soon as you're able. this problem will die of neglect soon.

Eli B · · noco · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 6,067

I just completely reframed my thinking to consider all other cams in totem sizes since totems are the single best cam money can buy.

"Oh that Yellow BD? Whats that, like Orange Totem size?"
 - Me

Chris Stocking · · SLC, UT · Joined Aug 2019 · Points: 759
Kevin Mokracek wrote: Wouldn’t it be easier to resling  BD cams to match your Totems if the color really bugs you that much?

The distinct disadvantage to that would be that BD cams have colored lobes, while Totems are all plain gray aluminum. Other than the slings, the only color on the Totems are the cable sheaths on just the trigger wires (not even the camming wires), which are small and hard to spot when the cams are hanging on your harness.

Chris Stocking · · SLC, UT · Joined Aug 2019 · Points: 759
Jay Dee wrote: I agree with just racking them with carabiners colored the BD / WC way. Easy fix for you and it also makes it way easier for meeting up with others and climbing as most use that coloring for racking. At least around where I climb anyhow. 

This is a good consideration. Hadn't thought about how reslinging them with different colors might trip up any potential partners who are used to having Totems in the normal colors. Doing just the racking biner probably gets me like 70% of the benefit with 0% of the downside.

Chris Stocking · · SLC, UT · Joined Aug 2019 · Points: 759
greggrylls wrote: I don't mean this in a dick way.  Genuinely.

Climb more with them.  

Don't worry, didn't come off mean. Sad/comical that we have to go so out of the way to clarify that on MP. :)

Does anyone resling totems yet in the US?  
Runout Customs seems to be the internet's go-to recommendation for reslinging Totems in the US.
Michael Atlas · · Charlotte, NC · Joined Apr 2014 · Points: 85

As mentioned above, here is what I did to translate totems to BD in a somewhat cohesive way using a combination of camp photon colors and BD mini biners.  The colors chosen for the BD mini biners end up being a play on the original Z4 color as a more "lighter" version - hence the smaller cam (red Z4 .1 gets a pink biner).  With the below thought pattern you never have a redundantly colored biner and on top of that it makes your gear easy to rack:
Largest on right in pic - smallest on left

Large cams

  • UL #5 - ideally purple photon (but didn't have an extra)
  • UL #4 - Grey photon
  • UL #3 - Light blue photon
  • UL #2 / Orange totem - Gold photon
  • UL #1 / red totem - Red photon
  • Z4 .75 / Green totem - Green photon
  • Z4 .5 / purple totem - Purple photon (I hardly ever rack a #5 so there's really no color duplication)

Small cams (I rack these in the front)
  • Z4 .3 / blue totem - BD mini blue
  • balck totem - BD mini silver
  • Z4 .2 - BD mini orange - this size kind of stands on it's own.  The black alien is more like a red z4.1 IMO.
  • Z4 .1 / black alien - BD mini pink
  • Z4 0 / 1-3 ball nutz - BD mini mint green

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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