C3s or Z4s?

I own neither, and I have used neither. So those of you who have: Should I grab some C3s before they disappear, or are Z4s just as good?

you dont need either if you solo everything

C3s already disappeared...

Neither!!!

Lot of discussion of Z4 vs. C3 vs. Dragonflies in this thread:
https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/117101072/new-black-diamond-z4

Personally, I love C3s and am sticking with them. Granted, I've only handled Z4s and haven't actually use them. So what the hell do I know...

Alien cams before either 

Totem basics and mastercam!

Matt Simon wrote: Lot of discussion of Z4 vs. C3 vs. Dragonflies in this thread:
https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/117101072/new-black-diamond-z4

Personally, I love C3s and am sticking with them. Granted, I've only handled Z4s and haven't actually use them. So what the hell do I know...

I use C3s and haven’t died yet.  IMO this discussion is only really relevant if you’re building a rack; differences between cams are not significant enough to warrant replacing perfectly good equipment.

Ted Pinson wrote:

I use C3s and haven’t died yet.  IMO this discussion is only really relevant if you’re building a rack; differences between cams are not significant enough to warrant replacing perfectly good equipment.

Oh...I’m sorry - am I allowed to say that, REI overlords?

I feel the same way. I was reallllly  looking forward to the release of the Dragonfly's. But they took so damn long, and I had a trip coming up, so I was forced to buy a replacement for them (UL Master cams). So I am no longer in the market. I got the gray through yellow, to supplement my four C3's that I already had (purple through yellow).  I find I almost never place the smallest ones, but use the yellow/red C3's all the time.