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Ron Olsen wrote: As forum moderator, I'm not planning on deleting it. If it raises awareness of Layton's upcoming shows and brings a few more people out to see them, then it is serving a useful purpose. And I really hope that the OP was indeed a troll, and not a serious post...

Is this really the only way to raise awareness? How about a new post announcing his shows. Wouldn't that be more appropriate?

It sounds like a seriously ignorant troll.

J C Wylks wrote:Is any body going to delete this thread?

Even if the OP was ridiculous and you don't agree with what it asserted, he's still got he right to ask the question (or troll as the case may be). You're advocating censcorship because you don't agree with what the OP said and, personally, I think that's worse than asserting that Kor is cashing in on his status.

Just state your opinion and leave it at that. Don't ask for threads to be deleted because you don't like them.

--Marc

J C Wylks wrote: Is this really the only way to raise awareness? How about a new post announcing his shows. Wouldn't that be more appropriate? It sounds like a seriously ignorant troll.

that's why I posed the link to this earlier:

mountainproject.com/v/color…;

it linked to info about the shows and offered some insight to why he is giving the shows...

See you all there!

-Adam

Doug Lintz wrote: Hey now, he did own some cams. I've got one of them on my shelf, his initials personally stamped on it....it's sweet. Go Layton!! d.

Dude what plannet are you living on...or err climbing on? At least 95% of his routes were put up before clean climbing had been contemplated and the gear had been invented. In his glory days he was a piton and braided rope kind of guy. (A super stud!)

Marc H,

Good responses to this. Thanks

Marc H wrote: Even if the OP was ridiculous and you don't agree with what it asserted, he's still got he right to ask the question (or troll as the case may be). You're advocating censcorship because you don't agree with what the OP said and, personally, I think that's worse than asserting that Kor is cashing in on his status. Just state your opinion and leave it at that. Don't ask for threads to be deleted because you don't like them. --Marc

Well said.
Requests to delete posts that one disagrees with is dumb. It's unAmerican!
I'm guessing that the OP has realized that he made a dumb comment. It happens. We've all done it.
Maybe its time to cut him some slack?

You want to cut his sack? I think they'd disapprove in the other thread. Well, some would. :)

Tickets are still available. I just reserved two over the phone. See you there.

so is it disgracefull that the Dallas Cowboys cash in on their fame by selling tickets to their events, I would say no.

I would gladly pay for a ticket to Lyaton's events just like my good friend would happily pay for a ticket to a Cowboys game. Really there is nothing wrong with either situation!

I personally thank Neptunes for giving all the proceeds to Layton so he can continue fighting his illness. I wish our healthcare system was better because a lot of people dont get the help they need!

Ill see you guys there tonight, looking forward to the show.

It's interesting reading about viewpoints concerning profiting from one's own reputation. Ha ha ha. Is that not what sports stars do with product endorsements? I think most applaud this sort of thing. In Layton's case, he is profiting from the sheer good will he has amassed over his extraordinary body of work as a climber. His stories of his exploits in and of themselves are tremendously valuable as entertainment. So in a straight analysis, it's worth it to hear the guy talk. He does not have a lot of self authored books like say, Joe Simpson. Now Joe of course profits from his labors and adventures, too. Does that rub anyone the wrong way?

The fact is, Layton was not all that sure people would even want to pay to listen to him talk, hence the one time venue. But he was amazed and pleased to be such a crowd draw. And a lot of people didn't make the original show. I didn't, for one. A friend of mine visiting from CA just got to see him on Friday. Way cool, I would say.

Now to the issue of you. Yes, you! What if at some point people actually would go to a slide show to help you with your medical bills? Is that wrong? I hardly think so. If you create such VALUE in your life, just by living it and sharing it, then you deserve the respect and money that can leverage. Minnesota Fats certainly understood that. Uh, not that he and Layton have a lot in common. Hell of a pool player, that Fats.

I hope in some small way this has helped add something worth thinking about to the discussion.

Kill it, Lee!

Stu Ritchie wrote: Dude what plannet are you living on...or err climbing on? At least 95% of his routes were put up before clean climbing had been contemplated and the gear had been invented. In his glory days he was a piton and braided rope kind of guy. (A super stud!)

I'm well aware of what/when/how Layton put up routes. I'm just happy to have a little piece of Kor history, even if it isn't from his early days.

d.

Stich wrote:It's interesting reading about viewpoints concerning profiting from one's own reputation. Ha ha ha. Is that not what sports stars do with product endorsements? I think most applaud this sort of thing. In Layton's case, he is profiting from the sheer good will he has amassed over his extraordinary body of work as a climber. His stories of his exploits in and of themselves are tremendously valuable as entertainment. So in a straight analysis, it's worth it to hear the guy talk. He does not have a lot of self authored books like say, Joe Simpson. Now Joe of course profits from his labors and adventures, too. Does that rub anyone the wrong way? The fact is, Layton was not all that sure people would even want to pay to listen to him talk, hence the one time venue. But he was amazed and pleased to be such a crowd draw. And a lot of people didn't make the original show. I didn't, for one. A friend of mine visiting from CA just got to see him on Friday. Way cool, I would say. Now to the issue of you. Yes, you! What if at some point people actually would go to a slide show to help you with your medical bills? Is that wrong? I hardly think so. If you create such VALUE in your life, just by living it and sharing it, then you deserve the respect and money that can leverage. Minnesota Fats certainly understood that. Uh, not that he and Layton have a lot in common. Hell of a pool player, that Fats. I hope in some small way this has helped add something worth thinking about to the discussion.

We are enriched when others write or speak of their past endeavors. Think of Bonington, Messner, Cassin, Alex Lowe, all who have put to paper their exploits. I for one, became interested in climbing from reading, 'The White Spider', 'Annapurna', and many other climbing books. I never would have known about climbing if it hadn't been for those books and how they stirred up the juices of adventure in me. And after having climbed for several years, reading 'Touching the Void' left me astounded by Simpson's evocative prose. So let them make the money so that we may read and be inspired.

It'd be cool if Gary Neptune recorded Kor's talks to document them! Gary, are you on MP?

More power to him! What's wrong with making some money off of climbing? Espcially with his resume? Hell if I could cash in on climbing I certainly would. It's an expensive addiction that I have had to prostitute myself for!!!!!!!!!!

Hope Mr Kor makes a mint on this show , I would love to see it but I'm stuck in the spirngs today w/ prior arrangements I hope the turnout is so great he has another one!!!!

Mr Kor has always been an inspiration to me along w/ warren Harding
and a few other good old aid/trad folks.Every time I repeat one of there routes Im always left in awe at the balls they had

God speed Mr Kor wish ya the best...

As for FUNDOUCHE well ya know what they say doood
OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES EVERYBODY HAS ONE...

Apparently some people have the right to ask questions on MP but others are advocating unAmerican activities when they ask a question or make a request. It's not about censorship. The diference is I'm not asking a government agency to crack down on a public forum by force of law the way people did on the Super Bowl. The man simply deserves a lot more respect, especially at this stage in his life. It's about what kind of a place you want MP to be. The same way you wouldn't let your family be abused in your own home. If he can't get respect here, then where? Maybe some people just don't care that much about it. Personally I hope he doesn't hear about this. I don't think he was the one who used the term 'Once in a Lifetime'. I saw the first show and it was a great scramble to put together so maybe someone came up with that line thinking he would never do another.

He was one of the very first names I ever learned about when I started climbing and he has every right to put on a show whenever he can without being abused. I'm sure this one will be at least as good - enjoy the show. Long Live Kor!

I wish I could be there...If he does another show, I would totally pay to see a webcast and I bet I'm not the only one. Hopefully I wouldn't lose that bet..I sometimes forget how much climbers like to bitch about paying for anything.

Funguy can suck it.

As a climber from Kor's generation, I'd like to reinforce Stich's comments.

First and foremost, Kor doesn't have to have a reason for giving talks. That he does have a rather poignant reason adds some urgency, but it is beside the point really. He is making a public offering of his experiences. No one is forced to go. If folks want to hear from one of the towering giants (in multiple senses) of our sport, and are quite willing to pay a bit for the privilege (and it is a considerable one), then in what alternate universe is there is something "wrong" with that?