Bye bye Indian Creek!

EDIT: Seems like everything before Scarface is still protected, but that leaves most of the crags out of the protected area. Bridger jacks, six shooters, beef basin, harts draw, the wall, cliffs of insanity, etc, all removed from Bears Ears. The Indian creek unit is just 14,000 acres, that’s a pretty small parcel. And what’s to stop further reductions?

Thanks to Republicans, Indian Creek is no longer protected under National Monument status. What will happen? Who knows. But how can this be a good thing? It can’t.

If you vote Republican, you shouldn’t even be allowed on public lands as far as I’m concerned, because you are directly responsible for their protection being stripped away, whether it be National Monument reduction, firing of NPS staff, reduction of budgets, or stealing of NPS funds for Trump’s personal projects. 

Imagine voting to defund the police department but still calling the police department when you need them. Shameful.

And I’ve never called the police once in my life.

I don't support the cuts to the Monument but Indian Creek remains protected. It is the red triangle middle-right.

Lol

Yeah, it’s literally one of the only things still in the monument.

Tony Danza wrote:

If you vote Republican, you shouldn’t even be allowed on public lands as far as I’m concerned, because you are directly responsible for their protection being stripped away, whether it be National Monument reduction, firing of NPS staff, reduction of budgets, or stealing of NPS funds for Trump’s personal projects. 

There are a fuckton of people who vote Republican who disagree deeply and mightily with what this administration has done. Your disgust with the actions of this administration is well placed, but such broad statements aren’t at all helpful.

Tony Danza wrote:

And I’ve never called the police once in my life.

apogee wrote:

There are a fuckton of people who vote Republican who disagree deeply and mightily with what this administration has done. Your disgust with the actions of this administration is well placed, but such broad statements aren’t at all helpful.

No. They don't get to get out of this. They own their ignorant and hateful votes.

The saddest thing about a failing democracy is not knowing if/when your vote ceases to matter. Some people seem to be all for dismantling the administrative state until they realize what that entails. It doesn't matter that some republicans may disagree with some of what's going on, their votes enabled this and they don't deserve to get off the hook for it. The trump regret is only just beginning, they brought this upon all of us. Explosive diarrhea bacteria spreading across the nation, screw worms back, insane corruption and the country being looted by oligarchs, public lands attacked, new forever war, unregulated data centers poisoning communities, AI surveillance state rising, ICE still terrorizing/murdering our neighbors, and the list goes on. Tearing down systems reveals why they were there in the first place to those too lazy to think critically. Welcome to the start of the find out stage of your FAFOing.

Thanks, MAGAts. I hope it's worth it for you.

Tony Danza wrote:

And I’ve never called the police once in my life.

Just some thoughts, I had never called the police in my life until I moved to downtown cap hill Denver. Denver has it charms, but I also never fully understood societal issues about class, race, crime, homelessness, stereotypes etc until I moved downtown. 

I'm with you tho we gotta protect the Creek. I will stand with you literally on that one if it comes to it 

Daniel Kay wrote:

I don't support the cuts to the Monument but Indian Creek remains protected. It is the red triangle middle-right.

It’s been hard to get maps that are accurate and detailed enough to fully understand the situation but right now it looks like most of the public land past Supercrack and a lot down Beef Basin Road is no longer in the monument. 

Daniel Kay wrote:

I don't support the cuts to the Monument but Indian Creek remains protected. It is the red triangle middle-right.

That red triangle is pretty small and definitely does not encompass all of Indian Creek (Harts Draw for example, or the six shooters). It’s hard to tell so far based on zooming in on the map compared with looking at a satellite image, I could be mistaken, but the overall sentiment of my post remains. If you’re into canyoneering, a climbing related activity, that’ has the potential to be all gone too in Grand Staircase. 

Conservatives, ironically given the title, have long been against public lands. 70% of them in Congress voted against the very first national park in 1872. They’ve tried to eliminate the antiquities act entirely. In Wyoming they can’ even designate a new national monument without congressional approval (which is the whole point of how national monuments work, to circumvent the the snail’s pace of Congress) because Grand Teton was so controversial. I could give a litany of examples of how the right wing has trashed and abused public lands.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2026/06/03/trump-officials-divert-national-park-service-fees-fund-july-4-celebration/

Move to Politics forum.

F r i t z wrote:

Move to Politics forum.

That’s functionally a shadow ban. It’s the fastest way to shut down conversation as nobody will see it unless they are already participating. Why is that desirable?

Rachael v2 wrote:

That’s functionally a shadow ban. It’s the fastest way to shut down conversation as nobody will see it unless they are already participating. Why is that desirable?

It's clearly a political post.  They could have chosen other ways to post about Indian Creek but included hate one one political party and defunding the police which has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand.  To top it off what they posted isn't even correct, this is just an anti trump rant at the end of the day.

And just to be clear, Utah politicians pushed for this hard. 

Adam W wrote:

It's clearly a political post.  They could have chosen other ways to post about Indian Creek but included hate one one political party and defunding the police which has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand.  To top it off what they posted isn't even correct, this is just an anti trump rant at the end of the day.

So you don’t consider harts draw, beef basin, or the six shooters to be part of Indian creek? Cuz it sure looks like those areas got removed. And EVEN IF I’m wrong, what’s to stop Trump from removing the creek eventually? Or any other national monument?

And remind me which party did this? I don’t recall it being bipartisan. This is entirely the fault of ONE party, the republicans.

The defund the police part is an analogy to show the hypocrisy of republicans who recreate on public lands but who also vote for people who are dismantling public lands. If I vote to defund the fire department and then call them for help, how would that come across to you?

Obviously it’s political. My point is that moving the topic is just a way to reduce its reach. It’s soft censorship and not particularly helpful. 

Right now, The priority is for all folks in this thread should be to write a letter in support of fixed anchors in forest service and BLM and NPS.
Public Comment period closes on July 20 to provide a voice in support of allowing placement and maintenance of fixed anchors in forest service and Wilderness areas foing into the future.

currently, there are more comments in opposition to allowing and maintaining fixed anchors in wilderness. Anti-fixed anchor language in the new climbing management policies is a wider and more timely threat at this moment to climbing than having the boundary changed on these monuments and those policies may affect the future of climbing on those same lands. Every route in Indian Creek needs at least 2 fixed descent anchors that can hopefully be maintained into the future.

thank you Anna Brown for the info and links below to comment:

The deadline for USFS comments is this coming Monday, July 20, 2026.

*** 1,222 comments have been submitted and a majority are anti-climbing bolts inside USFS wilderness boundaries. ***

Read submitted comments here:
https://cara.fs2c.usda.gov/Public/ReadingRoom?project=Directives-4622

Submit your own comment here:
https://cara.fs2c.usda.gov/Public/CommentInput?project=Directives-4622

What can be in your comment:
- Why climbing is important to you
- That you support climbing inside USFS wilderness boundaries
- That a local forest Climbing Management Plan (CMP) should NOT be required for routine anchor maintenance, one-for-one replacements, or new route approvals
- The fixed hardware rules should allow climbers to address urgent safety needs without prior approval when delay would create unnecessary risk

Rachael v2 wrote:

Obviously it’s political. My point is that moving the topic is just a way to reduce its reach. It’s soft censorship and not particularly helpful. 

imo the whole thread needs to be deleted and started again without all the political ranting in it, problem solved.

Adam W wrote:

imo the whole thread needs to be deleted and started again without all the political ranting in it, problem solved.

But REPUBLICANS CAUSED THIS. How can it NOT be political??

Next you’re gonna tell me that the civil war wasn’t about slavery..

Tony Danza wrote:

But REPUBLICANS CAUSED THIS. How can it NOT be political??

Your responses are exactly why this topic in it's current form belongs in the political forum.

Democrats and republicans both support climbing. Write a comment and let the G know so that anchors can be maintained in the future.