Gofundme v functioning government

All of us on our screens every goddamn day, getting mad & yelling into the wind about how a national park pass is gonna cost more, how government shutdown this & that, how healthcare in the US SUCKS ASS. We bitch & moan but can't do SHIT until the next election. Well, if you've got better things to do than click on the latest posts on MP, you might not know that a member of our "climbing community" had an accident a little over a month ago. A gofundme has been set up but still hasn't reached its target. I don't know Greg, I'm not even from the area, but judging from the comments on the accident/injuries forum, he seems to be a good guy that suffered an unfortunate case of equipment failure. This could happen to anyone of us.

While we wait for our elected representatives try to find their own assholes with a map, in lieu of affordable healthcare, maybe consider clicking on the link below & help a fellow climber out.

https://gofund.me/69ae5536c

Further details can be found here https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/202021633/70-ft-fall-on-chockstone-route-eldorado-canyon & here https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/202154532/greg-cameron-update-and-fundraiser

I always give a few bucks to these when I come across them. I really hope I'm never in that position, but I like to think the community would be there for me if needed. Be the change you want to see in the world and all that. Best wishes for Greg's recovery, he seems like a great dude. 

I support having to buy the right to bitch n moan by donating to a good cause. Bump to send some money to Greg

Thanks for posting and the reminder.

It sucks so much that we, as a country, can't get our shit together so that people's families don't go bankrupt when they suffer an injury.  Let's donate, but also vote for candidates who support single payer health care.

evan freemanwrote:

It sucks so much that we, as a country, can't get our shit together so that people's families don't go bankrupt when they suffer an injury.  Let's donate, but also vote for candidates who support single payer health care.

Hey Kai, I hope posting that kind of snarky shit helps you feel better about your citizenship in a predatory and rapacious nation set on tearing itself apart. FWIW when my teenage daughter needed two 8 hour spinal surgeries no one here in Canada suggested she kill herself, and the entire cost was covered by our healthcare system. Of course, this isn’t free, we pay with our taxes, which we collectively have decided is a rational way to protect both the physical and financial health of our citizens. In the good old USA I would have faced a bill exceeding $1,000,000. If I had health insurance I might have avoided bankruptcy but would still have faced an exhausting and stressful battle with the insurance company over coverage. In your example, what does your $58000 cover?  An ambulance ride, an X-ray and a couple of boxes of Kleenex?

Mike Graingerwrote:

Hey Kai, I hope posting that kind of snarky shit helps you feel better about your citizenship in a predatory and rapacious nation set on tearing itself apart. FWIW when my teenage daughter needed two 8 hour spinal surgeries no one here in Canada suggested she kill herself, and the entire cost was covered by our healthcare system. Of course, this isn’t free, we pay with our taxes, which we collectively have decided is a rational way to protect both the physical and financial health of our citizens. In the good old USA I would have faced a bill exceeding $1,000,000. If I had health insurance I might have avoided bankruptcy but would still have faced an exhausting and stressful battle with the insurance company over coverage. In your example, what does your $58000 cover?  An ambulance ride, an X-ray and a couple of boxes of Kleenex?

On two trips to Canada I have gotten injured, and each time was treated immediately and for free. Also, no hassles. Good to hear that you also were taken care of with a far more serious issue. 

evan freemanwrote:

It sucks so much that we, as a country, can't get our shit together so that people's families don't go bankrupt when they suffer an injury.  Let's donate, but also vote for candidates who support single payer health care.

People need to be extremely careful with who they vote for some of the single payer plans could make things so so so much worse, I am happy to discuss this at detail but both conservatives and liberals have absolutely horrendous plans on fixing the healthcare. I say this as someone who is an actuary in p&c and with serious health problems.

Go lick a boot Kai

Remember every year in school when your teacher would tell you about the nazis or confederates? And every one in class said "wow they must have been so d u mb to fall for it." Take a look at the responses to kai. You're living in it right now.

Joe Boulderswrote:

Remember every year in school when your teacher would tell you about the nazis or confederates? And every one in class said "wow they must have been so d u mb to fall for it." Take a look at the responses to kai. You're living in it right now.

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Mike Graingerwrote:

Hey Kai, I hope posting that kind of snarky shit helps you feel better about your citizenship in a predatory and rapacious nation set on tearing itself apart. FWIW when my teenage daughter needed two 8 hour spinal surgeries no one here in Canada suggested she kill herself, and the entire cost was covered by our healthcare system. Of course, this isn’t free, we pay with our taxes, which we collectively have decided is a rational way to protect both the physical and financial health of our citizens. In the good old USA I would have faced a bill exceeding $1,000,000. If I had health insurance I might have avoided bankruptcy but would still have faced an exhausting and stressful battle with the insurance company over coverage. In your example, what does your $58000 cover?  An ambulance ride, an X-ray and a couple of boxes of Kleenex?

We all know about Kai's backwards views.  Don't let it get under your skin.  Most of us here in the US understand that we are completely backwards on health care.  Most of us here in California wish we could join your fine nation...

Joe Boulderswrote:

Remember every year in school when your teacher would tell you about the nazis or confederates? And every one in class said "wow they must have been so d u mb to fall for it." Take a look at the responses to kai. You're living in it right now.

I don’t follow. What are you trying to say?

Marc801 Cwrote:

I don’t follow. What are you trying to say?

Ditto.

(Is that short enough Marc?)

"Healthcare" is newspeak.  The proper word is "medicine".

Medicine was better before Obama.

Eric Mosswrote:

"Healthcare" is newspeak.  The proper word is "medicine".

Medicine was better before Obama.

What does this graph show other than comparable countries' life expectancy has outpaced that of the US since Reagan? I seem some stagnation during Obama and Trump 1. Curious to see the same graph from the beginning of the 20th century. 

Doctor Drakewrote:

What does this graph show other than comparable countries' life expectancy has outpaced that of the US since Reagan? I seem some stagnation during Obama and Trump 1. Curious to see the same graph from the beginning of the 20th century. 

The stagnation is the salient feature. Started with Obama.

Eric Mosswrote:

The stagnation is the salient feature. Started with Obama.

Yes, I am sure that Obama's signature policy which greatly expanded access to healthcare is responsible for this stagnation. Great thinking, much brain. 

2 quick observations: 

1) most presidents struggle to have any measurable effect whatsoever, and it often takes many years for their policies to create significant effects. For some reason Americans think presidents drive the country like a car and are responsible for everything that occurs during their tenure. This is a kindergarten view of politics. 

2) correlation does not equal causation 

If you think Obama is responsible for this stagnation then present evidence. You have so far presented none. 

I have lived half my life in Canada and half my life in the USA and experienced both systems close up.  

While no system is perfect, there is zero doubt in my mind that a single payer system such as exists in Canada is FAR superior on every level.

Don't believe the propaganda.  Look at the data and talk to folks like me who experienced both systems. You might be surprised .

Canadian Badger (Eric Ruljancich)wrote:

I have lived half my life in Canada and half my life in the USA and experienced both systems close up.  

While no system is perfect, there is zero doubt in my mind that a single payer system such as exists in Canada is FAR superior on every level.

Don't believe the propaganda.  Look at the data and talk to folks like me who experienced both systems. You might be surprised .

I use the current extent American single payer healthcare system which is VA healthcare. It has its issues like any system but it dramatically superior to every other form of healthcare I have experienced in the US including EPOs, PPOs, and HMOs. 

Single payer healthcare fucking rocks and the US is actually really decent at implementing it.