New Petzl Cams and Spirit Wiregates

Watching Fabi Buhl's new video a spotted the new Petzl cam's (7:08) and what appears to be new Spirit wire gates (7:42)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmkktMkKT7I

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That patent shows the stem material being replaceable...that big ass white shroud would make sense since because those parts can't be bonded together.... nice easter egg.

Also, we sure those are spirit wire gates? I would hope they would be a keyed nose of some sort considering spirits are a top tier part of their line. The shape just doesn't seem like the newest rendition of the spirit.... no speed holes present. 

EDIT: Speed holes present on the grey....none of those orange ones are spirits.

Long time stalker, first time poster. Couldn't resist to share what I found with fellow gear nerds. 

Didn't know how to create a link! 

Yes the orange biners are not Petzl but the grey appear to be very similar to Spirits. I assume dropping the Ange single wire design. 

nice find

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Cool looking. Anybody who has analyzed the can a lot know if it provides any niche benefit over current market options? Not seeing a reason to buy right now. Maybe it’s light?

Mr Rogerswrote:

That patent shows the stem material being replaceable...that big ass white shroud would make sense since because those parts can't be bonded together.... nice easter egg.

Or that piece is white because it a 3D printed prototype.

Gunkiemikewrote:

Or that piece is white because it a 3D printed prototype.

I bet they dont paint the head of the cam, rather color that stem with the associated size of the cam.

Kyle MacKrellwrote:

I bet they dont paint the head of the cam, rather color that stem with the associated size of the cam.

What size is white?

that guy named sebwrote:

And what size is "white". 

prototype, no paint yet, hence the prototype comment. you got anything to contribute other than a smart ass comment?

Mr Rogerswrote:

That patent shows the stem material being replaceable...that big ass white shroud would make sense since because those parts can't be bonded together.... nice easter egg.

Also, we sure those are spirit wire gates? I would hope they would be a keyed nose of some sort considering spirits are a top tier part of their line. The shape just doesn't seem like the newest rendition of the spirit.... no speed holes present. 

EDIT: Speed holes present on the grey....none of those orange ones are spirits.

That looks like a blue ice style Alpine runner, as there's a matching biner above clipped to a cam

Can't wait to own a set or two of Petzl's cams!

I really hope the Spirit wiregates have some sort of snag-free feature

Joshua Brownwrote:

Cool looking. Anybody who has analyzed the can a lot know if it provides any niche benefit over current market options? Not seeing a reason to buy right now. Maybe it’s light?

Serviceable stem that has Dyneema or other light weight material as its core....and it mentions in the patent individual loading (cam pairs), like totem.
But the patent is far from clear on the latter.

Kyle MacKrellwrote:

prototype, no paint yet, hence the prototype comment. you got anything to contribute other than a smart ass comment?

Just to be clear....They won't be actually painting anything. Stem, lobes, or otherwise.
Dyeing of the base plastic material pre MFG sure......anodizing the lobes, also yes.
But paint? no paint will be administered.

I think they may color match the stem though to whatever color scheme they choose if it I so prominent in the final, hopefully colored in line with BD.

I doubt they will colour the stem, it adds needles supply chain complexity, unless they dial in the stiffness of the stem for each cam (doubt it) but this then opens up risks off mismatching replacement stems. The white is probably just white because that's a standard engineering plastic colour. 

Pretty weird wire gate, originally petzl claimed no wire gates passed their internal standard hence the toothpick design. Marketing BS? Probably, but it doesn't really look like a Petzl product, I also don't see it doing well against the two big budget options

Camp photon: 30g

DMM spectre: 33g

Both these biners are budget choices and unless petzl is planning on devaluing their brand and  lowering prices I can't see this new wire gate being popular. I think it'd have to be 28g for a notched gate or 30g if it ends up being a clean nose. Assuming comparable prices to the Ange S. 

The new DMM Wisp is supposedly going to be 22g too which is further competition. 

Nice find..

Khoiwrote:

I really hope the Spirit wiregates have some sort of snag-free feature

If the photo is representative, sure doesn't appear to be, although it def looks a little smoother than say bd miniwires. The spirit solid bent gates are light enough to be my favorite racking biner at present, don't see these wiregates changing that.

Joe, that Wisp sounds nice in theory but for the love of gawd, can DMM pleeeeease bring back the Trad Alpha Light biners? best mini biner around, no question (apologies to the Ange S, but it doesn't clip as smoothly)

The carabiner does look like a wire gate spirit, my guess is that it's an ultra light carabiner, similar to the edelrid 19g or camp nano or black diamond nano wire, but to me it doesn't really make sense that petzl is going to release a normal wire gate