New and experienced climbers over 50 #36

Remember the film Billy Bud? Great Ironic ending. Melville's finale is different I think. They march him to the yardarms in shackles. Do thier thing in the name of justice. Round the headland and  

Penance 

apogee wrote:

Right there with you, Ward.

Being in favor of something (or turning a blind eye) when one side does something and then being against it when the other side does something similar just doesn’t work.

Another example: Tesla’s and electric cars were the darlings of the Left until Musk started hanging out with Trump… Now the left is setting them on fire. WTF.

That is not something that the "left" are doing.  A few examples adds up to what percent?  .00001% ?
Taking an extreme exception does NOT define a group. The "group" does not support vandalism.
That is typical false logic - standard procedure from the right wing.
And people can boycott Tesla without being against EVs.

On the other hand, when 50% of voters vote for someone that they already know, they are SUPPORTING those policies which include

convicted felon for fraud,
insurrection & trying to overturn an election,
extortion of Ukraine,
racism,
using the DOJ for personal revenge,
lying 10 times a day,
taking bribes and emoluments & using the presidency to enrich himself,
civil liable for rape ,
cheating on taxes ($250 million verdict),
a lifetime of cheating his business partners,
draft dodging,
tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church,
refusing to collect taxes on the rich and cut the IRS,
destroying the environment and the livable climate,
denying science,
appointing unqualified judges and cronies,
praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies,
insulted war hero John McCain – even after his death,
spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president,
pardoned numerous criminals,
forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history,
botched the COVID vaccine rollout,
tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him,
charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties,
claimed that COVID would “magically” disappear,
called a U.S. Senator “Pocahontas”
claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US,
ignored or didn’t even take part in daily intelligence briefings,
threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution,
botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them,
pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to “find” him votes
allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing
rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos
pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID
rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers
held blatant campaign rallies at the White House
tried to take away millions of Americans’ health insurance because the law was named for a Black man
promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn’t)
allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues
struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble
called an African-American Congresswoman “low IQ”
threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders
went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic
claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were “witch hunts,”
demanded “total loyalty” from the FBI director
praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles
completely gutted the Voice of America
accused Democrats of “treason” for not applauding his State of the Union address
claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were “spending too much time” on Russia
mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasey Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault
obsessed over low-flow toilets
hijacked Washington’s July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech
took advice from the MyPillow guy
claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists
said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure
tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax
said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn’t count blue states
deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented
claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln
retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile
suggested that police officers should rough up suspects
nominated a climate change skeptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy
falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent
screwed up the Census
withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic
allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act
seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican
stood before the sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win
constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president, which presumably includes four who were assassinated and his predecessor
whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump
claimed Andrew Jackson could’ve stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened
said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake
claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him
claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President,
created a commission to whitewash American history
retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain
claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn’t have happened if someone there had a gun, even though there was an armed security guard there
hired a senior staffer who cited the nonexistent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims
had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others
bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties
apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House
falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police
said that the head of the CDC didn’t know what he was talking about
forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID
interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel
abandoned Iraqi refugees who’d helped the U.S. during the war
tried to get Russia back into the G7
held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden
lost 60 election fraud cases in court, including before judges he had nominated
falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren’t
still hasn’t come up with a healthcare plan
still hasn’t come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated “Infrastructure Weeks"

etc etc etc

The both sides nonsense is incredibly dim witted.  Sorry not sorry.  Its not even in the same order of magnitude of leagues

M1 H1 wrote:

The both sides nonsense is incredibly dim witted.  Sorry not sorry.  Its not even in the same order of magnitude of leagues

It's possible there's a small number of low information voters who really don't understand the difference but most such individuals don't bother to vote at all. From what I've seen the remainder use the both sides argument to justify their support for him without being overtly maga.

If you get confused, listen to the music play

If you plant ice, you’re gonna harvest wind

So it's not safe to say that what we have now is the result of both sides sucking so bad? I keep hearing about these ignorant buffoons that caused this by their votes but it goes way deeper. Our society has been treat trained like dogs, no other country on the planet consumes like we do. People don't give much of a shit about anything until it affects their wallet, which in our case is the ability to buy so much crap or have so much time playing. Business as usual definitely was due for a reset.

Phew, I need more coffee, had a great climb session yesterday and am feeling it this morning!

Colden Dark wrote:

If you get confused, listen to the music play

If you plant ice, you’re gonna harvest wind

$245 for  a large outdoor show is crazy!  Should have been 1 free show for such a momentous occasion, they could afford it and give something back.  

The dems will feed 100 people to ensure that one of them wont go hungy..

The repugs with take food away from 100 people just because they think one of them doesn't deserve it.

if you have to settle for imperfection which is life BTW I will take the former every time. 

We're all in the same lifeboat.

I need some more climbing pictures. Hopefully 395 will open.

Not an actual climbing photo.  But I did earn an honorary membership in the Big Creek Little Wall Society this week by helping a friend get his gear from the top of kerkhoff dome.

Climbing photo time in the thread!

Me almost exactly 3 years ago today getting me-ARSE handed to me on the Kor-Ingalls route on Castleton tower!  

And yes I was wearing a helmet but this is exiting the third pitch after burying myself in the chimney which was not wide enough for my helmet which I had to remove and clip to the outside of my harness to fit in the chimney.

Man that route kicked my butt but just so insanely classic!!!

Graduation day here at West Point tomorrow with the President coming in.  I tried to flee the Madness and go to Rumney but now there is definite rain and possibly even SNOW forecasted there this weekend so I am staying put and hiding!

Hopefully going to the Gunks on Monday with Dragons and, as I am sure it will be busy, "getting in line" for my first ever lead there.  

I've led 5.8 in RMNP and in New England and in Europe but I've never led a route at the Gunks!

Looking for an easy one out the gate.  Maybe Betty, or Three Pines, or Easy O?

Cannot wait!

Nick Goldsmith wrote:

Horsman was really cool if I recall correctly. another great one is Yellow Wall ? in the nears.5.7 Weisner rt. 

That would be Yellow Ridge. And not a good choice for 1st Gunks Lead.  

Buck Rogers wrote:

Climbing photo time in the thread!

Me almost exactly 3 years ago today getting me-ARSE handed to me on the Kor-Ingalls route on Castleton tower!  

And yes I was wearing a helmet but this is exiting the third pitch after burying myself in the chimney which was not wide enough for my helmet which I had to remove and clip to the outside of my harness to fit in the chimney.

Man that route kicked my butt but just so insanely classic!!!

Graduation day here at West Point tomorrow with the President coming in.  I tried to flee the Madness and go to Rumney but now there is definite rain and possibly even SNOW forecasted there this weekend so I am staying put and hiding!

Hopefully going to the Gunks on Monday with Dragons and, as I am sure it will be busy, "getting in line" for my first ever lead there.  

I've led 5.8 in RMNP and in New England and in Europe but I've never led a route at the Gunks!

Looking for an easy one out the gate.  Maybe Betty, or Three Pines, or Easy O?

Cannot wait!

Buuuck! Betty is much more fun than three pines. Jelly roll in my memory was funny thirty years ago.  Gelsa was one of the best days climbing I’ve ever had, and the nears are going to be less crowded than the trapps.  Horseman is fun, but the uberfall area is going to be a mob scene.

Sam Findley wrote:

going to be a mob scene.

Oh yeah, we know it!!!

But waiting in line for a climb at the Gunks is better than indoor climbing or not climbing at all and as I live only one hour away, it's just a quick trip to buy my annual pass and check it out with a new outdoor partner.

I'll be happy with a single climb.

And I'm keeping it 5.4 and down for my first lead there.

John Gill wrote:

John       Is that you doing the Turlock no hands?
The photo is before the feet were “enhanced” into thier present condition. Good job.
Balance is key. Something I no longer have, entire PT sessions are devoted to me standing on one leg and keeping my balance. I fell off a 12 inch diameter log into a creek last year, must be careful.

I hope Tony’s surgery went well. At our advanced age these things go south sometimes.

I want to say “Thank you” to all the Veterans, living or dead, on this Memorial Day weekend.

Because of you we are able to live in a free country. A country where you can say anything you want to say about our “leaders”, true or false, and get away with it. Many people on this earth don’t have that luxury. I know that didn’t come easy to US. It was bought and paid for with blood and sacrifice by brave men and women willing to die for me.
Thank You.

To celebrate- we are off to Fish Creek to enjoy the Mountains, the Fishing and the Climbing. I guarantee the place won’t be “mobbed”. Probably be less than 10 people there.

everybody have a great weekend, be safe. 

Sam Findley wrote:

Buuuck! Betty is much more fun than three pines. Jelly roll in my memory was funny thirty years ago.  Gelsa was one of the best days climbing I’ve ever had, and the nears are going to be less crowded than the trapps.  Horseman is fun, but the uberfall area is going to be a mob scene.

Gelsa is awesome, but the last pitch is kinda sketchy. I first lead it in the 70’s as a newbie.  When I did Roseland (5.9) into the upper pitch of it in the 90’s I was climbing at a far higher standard, but I couldn’t believe how loose it was.  None of the gear looked trustworthy if you actually had the misfortune to fall.