New and experienced climbers over 50 #36

CBO: 7.6 million would go uninsured under GOP Medicaid bill

Yep, sooo much to be optimistic about…

Edit: I bet that if those 7.6 mil voters knew their Medicare was gonna be on the chopping block prior to the election, things would have gone verrrryyy differently….

apogeewrote:

CBO: 7.6 million would go uninsured under GOP Medicaid bill

Yep, sooo much to be optimistic about…

Edit: I bet that if those 7.6 mil voters knew their Medicare was gonna be on the chopping block prior to the election, things would have gone verrrryyy differently….

This would assume those newly uninsured are old enough to vote. A significant number of children get healthcare through medicaid, including special needs kids. Medicaid, is how hospitals get at least some payment for people who go to the ER because they have no doctor. On and on.

We the people.

All animals are equal, just some more than others.

H.

apogeewrote:

Yep, sooo much to be optimistic about…

Edit: I bet that if those 7.6 mil voters knew their Medicare was gonna be on the chopping block prior to the election, things would have gone verrrryyy differently….

But your laptop will be so much faster

Li Huwrote:

I’m enjoying my Yoga today, and much more relaxed feeling good with the current administration in USA. Feeling optimistic. There’s nothing more comforting than a world leader willing to back off a hard line stance when he sees it being a bad direction. Kudos to them!

I’ll be up in the Bay Area for a while now, hope to go to Yosemite this season.

You can't be serious. The things he says and does are astonishing. I'm sorry to say each night I laugh out loud at what he says, I really do. He's clearly an idiot. He's clearly SO out of touch with reality. He's clearly hypocritical. What moron would raise a family in the lap of luxury in a penthouse and then say that some kid should only have five pencils and THEN accept a PLANE as a gift! EVEN if the plane is for the administration and not a personal gift can't America afford its own plane for the president? How is this NOT a clear case of a conflict of interest? He should have said "No thank you, we have our own".

I live very far away from America but I'm worried, not optimistic. Li, even the word 'administration' is incorrect, at best it's a shamozzle, a gaggle of influencers, spin merchants, greedy yes men and women feathering their own nests.

I don't have a great deal of faith in my country's leadership but I'm afraid all of you should be embarrassed, dismayed, concerned. In the past, some people viewed Americans as brash; a bit over the top, a bit TOO much. But now I'm afraid you're seen as a bunch of idiots. In all honesty (and I LOVE this group of people on this thread, I really do) we sit here, and we think "You fucking VOTED for him? Really? Is he the best you've GOT?".

Sorry for the harsh words but I honestly cannot fathom why you could say you're feeling relaxed and optimistic.

77 mil people voted for Trump- prolly at least half of those voters are die hard supporters who truly believe that Trump is everything he sprays that he is. I prefer to believe some large percentage of the other half of those voters were people who really don’t like him as a person or a ‘leader’, but felt that the alternative was simply too far out of their worldview. I think I can understand that hard choice in a binary system such as ours, but I’m baffled by anyone who doesn’t see this man for who he truly is. His buffoonery truly does make every one of us as Americans look like idiots.

Carl Schneiderwrote:

You can't be serious. The things he says and does are astonishing. I'm sorry to say each night I laugh out loud at what he says, I really do. He's clearly an idiot. He's clearly SO out of touch with reality. He's clearly hypocritical. What moron would raise a family in the lap of luxury in a penthouse and then say that some kid should only have five pencils and THEN accept a PLANE as a gift! EVEN if the plane is for the administration and not a personal gift can't America afford its own plane for the president? How is this NOT a clear case of a conflict of interest? He should have said "No thank you, we have our own".

I live very far away from America but I'm worried, not optimistic. Li, even the word 'administration' is incorrect, at best it's a shamozzle, a gaggle of influencers, spin merchants, greedy yes men and women feathering their own nests.

I don't have a great deal of faith in my country's leadership but I'm afraid all of you should be embarrassed, dismayed, concerned. In the past, some people viewed Americans as brash; a bit over the top, a bit TOO much. But now I'm afraid you're seen as a bunch of idiots. In all honesty (and I LOVE this group of people on this thread, I really do) we sit here, and we think "You fucking VOTED for him? Really? Is he the best you've GOT?".

Sorry for the harsh words but I honestly cannot fathom why you could say you're feeling relaxed and optimistic.

Spot on, Carl. (I do read your posts.)

Carl Schneiderwrote:

You can't be serious. The things he says and does are astonishing. I'm sorry to say each night I laugh out loud at what he says, I really do. He's clearly an idiot. He's clearly SO out of touch with reality. He's clearly hypocritical. What moron would raise a family in the lap of luxury in a penthouse and then say that some kid should only have five pencils and THEN accept a PLANE as a gift! EVEN if the plane is for the administration and not a personal gift can't America afford its own plane for the president? How is this NOT a clear case of a conflict of interest? He should have said "No thank you, we have our own".

I live very far away from America but I'm worried, not optimistic. Li, even the word 'administration' is incorrect, at best it's a shamozzle, a gaggle of influencers, spin merchants, greedy yes men and women feathering their own nests.

Biden’s administration was  competent with all the most qualified individuals running the country.

Trump’s is the exact opposite.

Results? Pretty much identical, except now NVidia gets to sell parts to China again thereby reducing our trade deficit. Ukraine war will end soon, all that matters is that it ends. It would have ended with Russia taking over large swaths of land anyway. That would not have changed.

I don't have a great deal of faith in my country's leadership but I'm afraid all of you should be embarrassed, dismayed, concerned. In the past, some people viewed Americans as brash; a bit over the top, a bit TOO much. But now I'm afraid you're seen as a bunch of idiots. In all honesty (and I LOVE this group of people on this thread, I really do) we sit here, and we think "You fucking VOTED for him? Really? Is he the best you've GOT?".

I’m half Canadian, and quite happy how things have turned out. My other citizenships are unforgivably bad.

Sorry for the harsh words but I honestly cannot fathom why you could say you're feeling relaxed and optimistic.

I pretty much agree with all the liberals, but we have to face the fact that the west can’t control the narrative anymore. It’s a shared narrative. Pretty soon, all of Asia, Africa and South America will emerge as powerful nations as well.

It’s about being treated fairly and equally. Not about being told how to live our lives.

I am serious about Trump being able to back down from such a strong stance. Biden would have formed more alliances and sent 3-4 fleets to China’s shores. WW3 has started because of Biden and his inflexible nature. Hopefully, Trump can work with China and Russia to stop Pakistan and India from destroying themselves? Hopefully, the Middle East (Western Asia) can mitigate their issues. Saudi Arabia and Dubai the shining stars there even though I don’t follow Islam, I respect their ways as equal, and different, from ours.

It’s about accepting others as equals, something the West had never done in the past.

Li, you smoking some pretty weird shit. 

Li, while Nick says it much more concisely, I do feel compelled to respond with a few more details, as you do seem to look at the world with quite distorted rose-colored glasses. I'm not at all a tech person, so don't comprehend much of what you say concerning that subject, but I do know a bit about history and also human nature. I actually agree with you that "the west can't control the narrative anymore" and that we will see/are seeing the emergence of new centers of power in what the West considered to be the 'third world' ( though definitely not all of the nations in those regions will become 'centers of power' ).
However, one of the areas with which I very strongly disagree with you (and for which history proves vast support) is your exceedingly optimistic, but totally unsupported, belief that somehow those new centers of power will be more fair and accepting of others ' as equals', leading to a fairer world order. Sorry, not happening. They will do all they can to exploit and dominate, just as the West has done, and they themselves have done whenever they have had the opportunity--in the past or present. It is, sadly, human nature. As just one example, the Han Chinese have a very lengthy history of dominating and overwhelming any minorities within or adjacent to their borders, continuing through the present--just ask the Uigyars!!! And Saudi Arabia and Dubai as "shining stars"...!!!! I'd be very interested to see any evidence that you have to support your viewpoint.

Likewise, I believe that you are totally wrong, both about Biden's attitude ( though, of course, he was looking out for what he believed to be in the best interests of his country in a very dangerous and competitive world) and your conclusion that the end results of his policies and Trump's will be "identical".

Go back to playing with your new laptop.

Is anyone interested in diet and nutrition as it applies to aging and athletic performance?  There are other places this could be discussed I guess. I appreciate the ability to share on this topic here but not if it’s an eye roller.

Younger athletes are all in on this (sports nutrition). 5.13 climbers are all in.  People in my age group not so much.

I had dinner last night with my little group of friends in their 80s and Tony who’s 75 and I continue to feel bewildered. Tony will be going for his hip replacement next Thursday (surgery number six in six years). Bev is frail and acquiring chronic diseases rapidly as well as dementia and yet no one seems to grasp that what is on their plate directly impacts their health. Bev assured me that she eats very well. She has three different dry cereals she likes to have for breakfast.  

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While type one diabetes has truly had some influence on me what has REALLY changed is feeling a profound decline in my body composition, energy, strength, and recovery to the point where I finally had to make it a personal mission to figure it all out. Three years ago, I hired a registered dietitian – – a young, highly trained guy, and we have been working together on and off all this time. But he has very little concept of changing needs in an aging population, especially one that wants to rock climb.   

Remember Amity Warne… the little gal who climbed Book of Hate?  She’s also a registered dietitian and I’ll be having a session with her soon. Now that I’m into the weeds on this I’ll take every little tweak I can get.

One of the best daily emails I get is from Arnold Schwarzenegger, who writes about health and aging.

We have “anabolic resistance “.  What I don’t know is whether those of us who replace missing hormones, especially estrogen and testosterone, are able to accommodate a little better.  

So while I love to eat and love to cook this has become much more intentional for me. With a preponderance of junk food, carbs and bad fats everywhere I really pay attention and use more discipline than ever before.  That means I keep track of food intake on MyFitnessPal several times a week, use a kitchen scale to weigh food, try to hit 120 g of protein a day which is not easy. Inevitably here in the desert I fail on hydration, but I’m getting better. Overall, this has resulted in a reversal of a lot of that loss.

The thing is, I did not dare to think I might still be climbing next season in September.  Now I believe I will be. Not that some serious disease or injury won’t stop me in my tracks, but otherwise I think I can keep going.  So I’d like to keep sharing and swapping information on the subject of health and support performance.
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Just a last thought: I’m also struggling with how not to be a crashing bore with the same family and friends, and how to let Tony be Tony and do his own thing. It’s hard to watch.  I don’t know how to support it yet. 

I am super interested in diet and aging.  My personal journey has been from a high carb, low fat diet in my 20’s, to the zone diet (40/30/30) in my 30’s, to ketogenic for the last few years.  I feel better, sleep better, and climb better when I eliminate most carbs, especially bread, pasta, cereals, etc.   Everyone is different; Paula is able to tolerate a lot more carbs than I can.  If I start eating carbs, I either gain weight or have to fight my hunger all the time, which is no fun.

if you are interested in a deep dive, google  “Dave MaCleod ketogenic diet.”  He gives a very detailed overview of what is known, what is not known, and the limitations of dietary studies, which are far from hard science.

Helen - that is wonderful news about Fritz. I am so incredibly happy for him. Please give him my best when you talk to him. 

Lori Milaswrote:

Is anyone interested in diet and nutrition as it applies to aging and athletic performance?  There are other places this could be discussed I guess. I appreciate the ability to share on this topic here but not if it’s an eye roller.

Younger athletes are all in on this (sports nutrition). 5.13 climbers are all in.  People in my age group not so much.

I try to eat a healthy diet now without obsessing about fine details or getting caught up in the latest fad. So plenty of fruits and vegetables, limited sweets and deserts plus sufficient protein.

I don't think it's any more complicated than that though for elite athletes where a 1 percent performance difference can mean the difference between getting on the podium it might be worth the extra effort.

Lori, just cooking, is a triumph over the "food" industry.

Okay.

My life lately, has been interesting. As in the curse, "may you live in interesting times".

In April, my best friend ended up in the hospital. Unmanaged diabetes, among other things. Both my friend and his dad are type 2 diabetics. I got a call from his 78 year old dad, letting me know. Dad, is pretty sedentary. They live together, and there's a long history by dad of not EVER cooking. Pre pandemic, he at least went out to restaurants a lot, saw people now and then. 

Then lockdown.

He never unlocked, really. 

The diet became even worse.

Okay, so my friend (in his 50s) went to the hospital, I'm talking to dad, the next day, can't yet get info on his son. As the day goes on? Dad is clearly quite muddled. I go see him....

And had the paramedics collect him. Off to the ER.

So both are in the hospital, neither are allowed phones, I'm ferrying information back and forth with everyone involved, many hours awake.

The son and dad both had serious issues with blood sugar, not keeping on any schedule at all for meds, sleeping, eating. Blood work actually brought up serious nutrition issues.

Fast forward to now? Both are on schedules, for everything. 

My friend is at home, dad is at a rehab, and it is clear he needs assisted living. So, today is yet another set of visits to facilities. 

All of this takes a lot of sorting out, and, our entire system is not real super about helping those we (collectively) no longer value, or never cared about much in the first place 

Like old people.

Or those without much money.

Or those with mental health problems.

A deep plunge into this mess is my life lately, but it is getting sorted. 

In the meantime?

I, too, need to do a lot better with food and activity. 

Cook.

Walking.

Strength training.

Cuz the big system doesn't really give a shit, but mostly, this really is entirely up to me 

I've been slapped upside the head, here, as you have Lori. The 78 year old is much more the usual, for our demographic, but, he was better 5 or 6 years ago. 

He did this to himself, in his 70s. I'm less then 2 years from 70.

And he is only 10 years older then I am, and headed for assistance in almost everything.

So, Lori, keep at it! You, and I, and the others, are all helping to push this system to a better place, and show what "old" can be. Just a simple chronological fact, not a door to be shoved through, forgotten, and expected to just mark time until we conveniently hurry up and die.

Things can get better. For us, keep after it. For my friend's dad? Assisted living can still be ugly....but it doesn't have to be. And, what people our age knew as nursing homes when we were young, have largely gone away. There are still hell hole warehouses out there, but it isn't the usual.

I'm am so so so hoping we can get this all settled, for the dad, and really soon.

That first trip to City is very sorely needed this year, even if I just sit there staring into space, lol!

Okay, a trip to the grocery store today, and lining up some cooking!

Helen

Edit to fix a bit. And, get your own things lined out. POAs, at the least, other shit like that.

@Erika, will do!

Alan Rubinwrote:

Li, while Nick says it much more concisely, I do feel compelled to respond with a few more details, as you do seem to look at the world with quite distorted rose-colored glasses. I'm not at all a tech person, so don't comprehend much of what you say concerning that subject, but I do know a bit about history and also human nature. I actually agree with you that "the west can't control the narrative anymore" and that we will see/are seeing the emergence of new centers of power in what the West considered to be the 'third world' ( though definitely not all of the nations in those regions).

The act of attempting to control things is the root of all the problems we are facing at the moment.

Trump has proven himself to be a flexible leader. While I didn’t vote for him, I’m sold.

Running a country like a business is exactly what is going on right now looks like.

I had written much more, but will stop where we agree.

It's been my experience that when internet forum dialogues (esp. regarding heated topics) start including the names of people in the discussion, it often gets ugly and divisive. De-personalizing discussions by talking about the topic at hand seems to lead to more positive dialogues.

Ward, Helen, Emil… great start! This is not a simple or effortless journey, and I would appreciate the opportunity to dialogue about what works, what doesn’t, any info we pick up along the way.

Climbing is a great gauge and motivator for me. This is the route Bob has been suggesting for sometime. It’s a 10c and looks intimidating as hell to me. Walked past it this morning kind of shaking my head. But also wondering what will it take to manage this route?

Looks like a lot of core strength and balance and more upper body strength than I currently have. If I’m able to hop on this tomorrow, I will know more.

My registered dietitian has logged over 4000 consecutive days logging his food intake on MyFitnessPal. I appreciate seeing that because what I know is guesstimating protein is worthless for me and there is a huge difference between 80 g in a day and 120 to 130 g. Yesterday I logged 80 before going to dinner so I knew I would order 6 ounces of salmon and maybe have a short protein shake before bed.

Keto is a little extreme for me as a diabetic, but 40 3030 is pretty close.  Also, it’s made a big difference to include some kind of probiotic with every meal, a little yogurt, kimchi, sauerkraut… Just a little. I will be making my own sauerkraut again this week. I’m a true believer.

 I have had a number of lab tests to see where I really stand nutritionally and very surprised to come up severely short in copper, iron, vitamin A, and gamma vitamin E. This could be due to celiac, but regardless organ meats seem to help bridge that gap. Without some kind of measurable data, we are only guessing.

This morning I saw a new protein formula made exclusively of liver, heart, kidney, pancreas, and a few other organ meats and collagen and I’m intrigued. I don’t love beef liver, but I do my best to include it weekly because it is loaded with copper and vitamin A. More and more I’m trying to get my nutrition from real food, but it does take a lot of thought and a lot of cooking

Helen, Tony’s wife died of complications from type two diabetes at 60 years of age. She just refused to take it seriously, was afraid of needles and shots and did not want to know her blood sugar numbers. She had major heart surgery, kidney failure, dialysis, and eventually lost most of her small and large intestines, and still lit up a cigarette in the hospital and powered through cases of Mountain Dew.  I have had to reassure him that I am not his exwife but also you don’t have to have diabetes to require self-care at our age.  Diabetes is nothing to fool around with, but once you realize your efforts do matter it mbecomes easier.

I would really like to be able to say I climbed The Nose.     I don’t know if THIS NOSE is fixed on tight enough to climb. Didn’t John Long once give it a go?

Our moron-for-a-president has lowered the bar so, so far that I'm having trouble sometimes telling real news stories from articles by the Onion. Which is this?

Pete Buttigieg received a STANDING OVATION at a town hall in Ohio after a retired teacher thanked him for speaking in complete sentences.

Heading up the hill with the girls (eight legs worth) to do some solo work. Two relatively new routes to rap over for bolt counts and to get their descriptions written up (as with Pinnacles, I'm self-appointed to keep track of new routes up here on Sonora Pass).

Then a little access trail maintenance, followed by brush crashing to an interesting, as-yet-untouched cliff that, so far, I can only see from the side.

Brad Youngwrote:

Our moron-for-a-president has lowered the bar so, so far that I'm having trouble sometimes telling real news stories from articles by the Onion. Which is this?

Pete Buttigieg received a STANDING OVATION at a town hall in Ohio after a retired teacher thanked him for speaking in complete sentences.

Pete is a great and super accomplished guy that I'd vote for in a second, unfortunately we would have to hear about his choice of sexuality and how voting for him would be a vote for turning all the children gay. Our country is really so fucked up in this way...