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hammer ? stainless steel ?

Yury · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 0
Dan Merrick wrote:

My home built tank components gave out a long time ago. 

I am concerned that results of a few days long experiment can't be extrapolated to a multi-years expected life span.

Sean Lambert · · Bellevue, WA · Joined Jun 2023 · Points: 235
timothy fisher wrote:

Anecdotal info, waves that got placed with a waffle faced framing hammer 10 years ago have gotten less rust stained with time.

I would worry more about the abrasions caused by a waffle-faced framing hammer than iron contamination.  It's fine for a nail head, but such abrasions can really impact the strength of material under load.

Adam Pequette · · Rapid City, SD · Joined Aug 2019 · Points: 690
Sean Lambert wrote:

I would worry more about the abrasions caused by a waffle-faced framing hammer than iron contamination.  It's fine for a nail head, but such abrasions can really impact the strength of material under load.

What testing have you witnessed that leads you to that conclusion?  What is "can really impact"?

Sean Lambert · · Bellevue, WA · Joined Jun 2023 · Points: 235
Adam Pequette wrote:

What testing have you witnessed that leads you to that conclusion?  What is "can really impact"?

Just what I learned in my mechanics of materials class in college.  I haven't seen any specific tests of anchor bolts hit with a waffle hammer, but I have seen tensile strength tests of steel bars with various kinds of marring, and a surprisingly small sharp ding in a steel bar can halve its tensile strength.

Ken Noyce · · Layton, UT · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 2,663
Sean Lambert wrote:

Just what I learned in my mechanics of materials class in college.  I haven't seen any specific tests of anchor bolts hit with a waffle hammer, but I have seen tensile strength tests of steel bars with various kinds of marring, and a surprisingly small sharp ding in a steel bar can halve its tensile strength.

This would be true if you were hitting the bolt with the hammer on the shaft of the bolt where it is under load.  hitting the end of the bolt where there is no stress in the bolt will have zero affect on the tensile strength of the bolt.

Sean Lambert · · Bellevue, WA · Joined Jun 2023 · Points: 235
Ken Noyce wrote:

This would be true if you were hitting the bolt with the hammer on the shaft of the bolt where it is under load.  hitting the end of the bolt where there is no stress in the bolt will have zero affect on the tensile strength of the bolt.

HowNot2 on Youtube tested (properly installed) wave bolts and several broke on the hanger part of the bolt.  I don't agree with your assessment that there is no stress in that part of the bolt.

Ken Noyce · · Layton, UT · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 2,663
Sean Lambert wrote:

HowNot2 on Youtube tested (properly installed) wave bolts and several broke on the hanger part of the bolt.  I don't agree with your assessment that there is no stress in that part of the bolt.

Sorry, I was thinking we were talking about stud bolts.  Yes, hammering a wave bolt in with waffle face hammer could weaken the bolt since you are adding points of high stress concentration onto what is essentially the hanger of the bolt.

J- Ru · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2014 · Points: 369

BD Yosemite Hammer is back in stock. "Forged stainless steel head".  Not sure what grade.

https://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en_US/product/yosemite-hammer-1/

ClimbingOn · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2008 · Points: 0
J- Ru wrote:

BD Yosemite Hammer is back in stock. "Forged stainless steel head".  Not sure what grade.

https://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en_US/product/yosemite-hammer-1/

Interesting. This is a pretty significant redesign of the handle. I’m glad to see they are once again including the shoulder-length sling, since for a while they had stopped. I wonder if it is weighted the same/swings the same as the previous generation. 

Nathan P · · Conifer, CO · Joined Nov 2013 · Points: 436
J- Ru wrote:

BD Yosemite Hammer is back in stock. "Forged stainless steel head".  Not sure what grade.

https://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/en_US/product/yosemite-hammer-1/

Ordered last night! Most I’ve spent on a single piece of climbing hardware in a minute…

randy baum · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 2,266

I have the Petal Tam Tam.  I like it.  SS, built in hex wrench head, light weight. 

https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Anchors/TAM-TAM

Mr Rogers · · Pollock Pines and Bay area CA · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 72
randy baum wrote:

I have the Petal Tam Tam.  I like it.  SS, built in hex wrench head, light weight. 

https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Sport/Anchors/TAM-TAM

I thought it was not stainless..... where did you get that info? None of the literature I have or looked for says what alloy it is.

randy baum · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Aug 2006 · Points: 2,266

Sorry, I assumed it is SS.  I've used it for years.  Bolted or rebolted dozens of routes. No rust or other evidence to suggest it is not SS or a similar non-marking/rusting alloy.   

Mr Rogers · · Pollock Pines and Bay area CA · Joined Aug 2010 · Points: 72

No need to apologize! I just am curious, cause I would like to know. Seems strange to not have that info available anywhere....

Heliodor Jalba · · San Juan metro area Puerto… · Joined Apr 2018 · Points: 7,835

If all you need is a hammer, it's $30 on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FJ55VK3

Mine hasn't rusted yet.

Jack Nick · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jan 2022 · Points: 0
kenr wrote:
Does it matter whether my hammer is Stainless or not?

In the Pacific Northwest we're sorry to report that it absolutely DOES matter if you pound stainless nails with a non-stainless hammer. Personal experience: That seemingly harmless blunder resulted in corrosion well within a year--on new construction--in a seaside town. :(

Desert Rock Sports · · Las Vegas, NV · Joined Aug 2019 · Points: 2

Since this has already been necro'd... if your hammer isn't stainless, you could always overlay stainless on its face. Options exist for TIG, MIG, fluxcore, or stick welding processes. ER309 is popular for dissimilar metals. ER312 is good for that too and stronger. I imagine both would be pretty soft compared to a proper piton hammer (ie Dammer, at 50 HRC). Maybe you could overlay 309 or 312, then overlay a harder or hardenable stainless over that and go through heat treatment...

Or if you don't care about hardness, just overlaying some cheap 309 would get you acceptable results.

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