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Matt Beyer · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2014 · Points: 35

Cheap headlamps from the hardware store are often just as good as fancy climbing-specific ones. It's not like BD has access to more advanced LEDs or anything.

apogee · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2009 · Points: 0
Pino Pepinowrote:

Where I currently live, they make you take a short class before you can get a dog to obtain a license for ownership. Now if only they could provide people with similar education before procreating. 

/rant

+10,000,000,000

Sep M · · Coal Creek, CO · Joined Apr 2019 · Points: 0
Pino Pepinowrote:

Where I currently live, they make you take a short class before you can get a dog to obtain a license for ownership. Now if only they could provide people with similar education before procreating. 

I also agree. More people need to take a course to be better at sex.

Not me though. I’m real good at it. I know all the best sex moves.

Matthew Bell · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 25
Cocoapuffs 1000wrote:

Counter-take: Crag packs are too small.  And for anyone that says "bring less stuff" I say fuck that.  Bringing everything and the kitchen sink with you to the crag is awesome, try it some time.

Crag packs peaked with Chouinard. All this modern garbage is designed to be put in the landfill so you buy another pack.

Elaine Gilstrom · · SF Bay Area, CA · Joined May 2019 · Points: 84
Eric Mosswrote:

Yeah right.  Snap a few pics, write up a dating profile.  People should definitely get paid for that.  Besides, the real beneficiaries are the proprietors of the app.

If you think all that goes into a guide book is taking a few pics and writing a few descriptions, you are sorely mistaken. I've helped one of my local guidebook authors out a tiny bit with updating the guidebook he is working on, and the 2 or 3 days I put in to help out accounts for just a bit of information on 1 or 2 pages. That doesn't include drawing topos, making decisions about how to display information, formatting the book or even testing it to make sure the descriptions are easy enough to follow. Not to mention we wouldn't know about hardly any of the obscurities hidden around the areas we climb at regularly that guidebook authors go through a tremendous amount of effort to track down and document.

Mountain project is an excellent resource, but ultimately it is a free resource, so there is little incentive to make it good or put the effort in at all. Not to mention people like you have burned some guidebook authors badly enough to turn them away from contributing to MP in any way at all.

Connor Dobson · · Louisville, CO · Joined Dec 2017 · Points: 269
Matt Beyerwrote:

Cheap headlamps from the hardware store are often just as good as fancy climbing-specific ones. It's not like BD has access to more advanced LEDs or anything.

Let me introduce you to actual headlamps that use 18650s. That shit changed night climbing for me. 

https://www.elevatedclimbing.com/products/h600w-mk-iv-xhp35-neutral-white-18650-headlamp

You can actually climb with this. 

John Clark · · Board, Garage, House · Joined Dec 2022 · Points: 0
Connor Dobsonwrote:

Let me introduce you to actual headlamps that use 18650s. That shit changed night climbing for me. 

https://www.elevatedclimbing.com/products/h600w-mk-iv-xhp35-neutral-white-18650-headlamp

You can actually climb with this. 

It would be cooler if you were using one with 4680s or 2170s. Just sayin

Matthew Hoff · · Certified Dumbass · Joined Aug 2023 · Points: 1,032
Cocoapuffs 1000wrote:

Counter-take: Crag packs are too small.  And for anyone that says "bring less stuff" I say fuck that.  Bringing everything and the kitchen sink with you to the crag is awesome, try it some time.

I totally agree. I throw everything I own into a big ass haul bag (aside from extra ropes, and ascenders and useless stuff at a crag) and never find that Ive forgotten anything!!!

Eric Moss · · Exton, PA · Joined Apr 2016 · Points: 95
Elaine Gilstromwrote:

Mountain project is an excellent resource, but ultimately it is a free resource, so there is little incentive to make it good or put the effort in at all. Not to mention people like you have burned some guidebook authors badly enough to turn them away from contributing to MP in any way at all.

Hot take: maybe that's a good thing

Andy R · · MA · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 46
Connor Dobsonwrote:

Let me introduce you to actual headlamps that use 18650s. That shit changed night climbing for me. 

https://www.elevatedclimbing.com/products/h600w-mk-iv-xhp35-neutral-white-18650-headlamp

You can actually climb with this. 

Don't even need to spend close to that much to get great 18650 cell headlamps. Check aliexpress sofirn headlamps. Can get super nice build quality ones for ~$30-40.

Sofirn has tons of great reviews if you check on youtube/reddit, lots of models.

Alex Fischer · · Albuquerque, NM · Joined Jun 2018 · Points: 864
Andy Rwrote:

Don't even need to spend close to that much to get great 18650 cell headlamps. Check aliexpress sofirn headlamps. Can get super nice build quality ones for ~$30-40.

Sofirn has tons of great reviews if you check on youtube/reddit, lots of models.

The Sofirn HS20 headlamp is the best headlamp ever made. Independent control of the spot and flood LEDs, and IPX8 water resistant. It blows BD/Petzl headlamps out of the water.

Andy R · · MA · Joined Jan 2016 · Points: 46
Alex Fischerwrote:

The Sofirn HS20 headlamp is the best headlamp ever made. Independent control of the spot and flood LEDs, and IPX8 water resistant. It blows BD/Petzl headlamps out of the water.

I have exactly that one, it rules. Kinda heavy for just putting on your head but fantastic for helmets.

Yeah for the money its one of the best on the market

Jay Crew · · Apple Valley CA, · Joined Feb 2018 · Points: 9,312
Andrew Childwrote:

1. Sport climbing is... lame. Trad and bouldering follow logical features . Sport follows a dotted line of bolts drawn by some random guy with an inflated ego.

Not if done correctly. But yes, spending $100 on a route does inflate the ego.

Obvious Take: The word "set" is never to be used when describing an outdoor route in any context.

John Clark · · Board, Garage, House · Joined Dec 2022 · Points: 0
Jay Crewwrote:

Obvious Take: The word "set" is never to be used when describing an outdoor route in any context.

ever been to jacks canyon?

Jay Crew · · Apple Valley CA, · Joined Feb 2018 · Points: 9,312
John Clarkwrote:

ever been to jacks canyon?

No, but I've heard the stories,,, it was a different era

almostrad · · BLC · Joined Jul 2015 · Points: 18
John Clarkwrote:

ever been to jacks canyon?

Or anywhere Gluey Louie has been "developing"

Cherokee Nunes · · Unknown Hometown · Joined May 2015 · Points: 0

Like grains of sand, and stars in the sky, there are more holds than there are gyms to place them!

Tal M · · Denver, CO · Joined Dec 2018 · Points: 6,686

Eldo sucks.

I'm not just talking about the climbing, which, in my limited experience in the park (Center Route, Doub-Griffith, some random Rincon routes), is fun but nothing standout. I mean seriously, the "classic" pitches I've done climb largely like a fairly standard granite face climb, but with worse friction and rock. I'm also talking about the asinine ethics. Rap bolting R rated lines? Known for runouts over bad/weird gear but plenty of hyper tightly bolted 5.12 and higher climbs? No bolts at dogshit belay stances but a separate fully bolted rappel line is kosher? It's got all of this history of climbing ethics over the years, and instead of continuing to allow routes to be adapted to fit whatever a current ethic might be, it instead tries to hold all of these often diametrically opposed ethics in hand at once. It's insanely frustrating. 

But honestly, the worst part isn't even the fact that it's being done, it's that it's being celebrated. It's impossible to have a conversation with an Eldo diehard about the constant inconsistencies that are so highly lauded without their justification devolving into something like "it's history" or "it's eldo, you wouldn't get it". It's not this cool, quirky personality trait that makes it more endearing. It's annoying and serves more as a playground for blowhards to feel better about the fact that they're completely unwilling to climb anything harder than 5.9 unless it's as well protected as Handcracker, and as a history museum, than it does as a quality, cohesive climbing area.

Eldo's best traits are its density, access, and its beauty. If you love it, I'm genuinely stoked you have a place special like that to you. Trust me, my favorite climbing areas are objectively dogshit. But my god, Eldo diehards are the climbing equivalent of Cowboys fans and people who insist that XYZ isn't real music. Come off of it.

Aaron Kolb · · Western Slope CO · Joined Jun 2022 · Points: 483

Beating a dead horse, but any time I have to spend in the town of Moab makes me want to go insane. Did a cool climb yesterday, which instantly turned into a bad mood by the several hours I had to spend in that godforsaken place today.

F r i t z · · North Mitten · Joined Mar 2012 · Points: 1,190
Tal Mwrote:

Eldo sucks.

** popcorn intensifies **

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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