New and Experienced Climbers Over 50 #27

Russ Wallingwrote:

Roger that.  I believe that you are a big dude anyway, and acute training like that has been known to blow people up.  Glad you are being careful.  It's no fun being on the DL from a training injury.  It's way more fun to just deck or something and have a great story... "no shit... there I was...."

Yeah, those injuries take a long time to heal these days. I mostly stick with major warm-ups and lots of climbing below and at my level to avoid major setbacks, it's been working and absolutely no injuries (besides the wicked  snow shoveling) . I'd  push it more if I wasn't so heavy though.  

Darrell Henselwrote:

"couldn't go up... couldn't go down... didn't know what I was gonna do..."

oh man.

As long as I’ve got satellite or 5G, I can post to MP for advice getting down   

M Mwrote:

Yeah, those injuries take a long time to heal these days. I mostly stick with major warm-ups and lots of climbing below and at my level to avoid major setbacks, it's been working and absolutely no injuries (besides the wicked  snow shoveling) . I'd  push it more if I wasn't so heavy though.  

This is very true, indeed. I should have clarified that 90 pounds is about 45% of my body weight, 70 is 36%, etc. I’m older so really loading things slowly. I’ll likely back off when I start to “feel it”, but at the moment it seems to be “a good workout” and I’ll likely not go higher than plus 90 pounds.

Lori, weighted hangs do work, but start off negative. Use an elastic to pull your body up and take off weight. Start at 15% to 25% total body weight.

As everyone has stated, we older folks need to go much slower and less force.

"Check on your Southern California friends today.  because right now our weather is not great, we're getting rain today, which means it's not sunny and its not 75 degrees, which means we're struggling and it's tough and it's hard.  We're not doing okay." 

"So Cal Strong. We will overcome this.... in time."

"We will rebuild."

"We pay A LOT for the perfect weather. I want a refund for every rainy day."

"It's also flooding.  Honestly, we are not built for this. We are not ducks."

"I had to put a hoodie on over my tank top today."  #hardwinter"

"I actually went and bought an unbrella for the coming rain. I'm down bad, ya'll.  Send provisions and stay by your radio for updates."

"Wisconsin sends our love."

"I had to put on shoes AND SOCKS!  No, my socks didn't match but I did the best I could given the circumstances."

"My street tacos got wet."

"The streets are empty in solidarity depression.  Today we mourn."

"Brunch is canceled on days like this.  The mimosas DO NOT hit the same."

"Oh, I commiserate! Here in Nor Cal it's 55 degrees.  FIFTY-FIVE DEGREES!  We are freezing-ISH, and our dogs suffer so with the onslaught of light sprinkling... I'll have to towel his feet... maybe."

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In case Colden thinks he has anything to complain about.  I'm still digging around for an umbrella.  Some of the tick marks on my route could be washed away.  It's bad ya'll.  Hangin' tough.   

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A couple of angles of the Decompensator of Lhasa.  I feel like this could be a 'hold my beer' kind of climb.  Looking forward to it.

Lori, you may have made a few enemies…

My family in Seattle says this rain is just like 365 days a year… no sympathy at all. To boot, my 92 plus year old mum is flying down this week for “sun and son”   

The Post at 11:30 AM. Me and my sweetie fighting off the crowds. 

Phylp, Where is that gym? It sure doesn't look like the gym I visited in Upland, while our daughter was in college nearby !!!! 

Sender 1?

Alan Rubinwrote:

Phylp, Where is that gym? It sure doesn't look like the gym I visited in Upland, while our daughter was in college nearby !!!! 

The Post in Pasadena.  Was opened a couple of years ago? 0ne of the Touchstone gyms. First time climbing since the unfortunate event that kept me from seeing you and Soon and Ward on the east coast. It’s a lot of fun figuring out the moves with one leg in the straight brace. I have several incidents of prior experience with that technique!  More work but not that much harder. 

Todd Berlier wrote:

@rgold!!!!

Boygenius won a couple Grammys tonight. Congratulations to your daughter! amazing! you must be very proud.

Thanks Todd.  Here's another pic with Sarah more visible.

Congratulations Rich. That is really wonderful.
Hope to see you soon.

RG. that's really amazeing!

A friend of mine was also a Grammy winner last night, second time even! Roomful of teeth, not good climbing music  for most but very interesting. 

Li, it just sounds like you are trying to achieve your old strength levels while heavy and that sounds like an injury waiting to happen.

My couldn't go up couldn't go down post was kind of an inside joke that I thought some BITD Idyllwild climbers might remember.  I think it was Libido Roy that came up with it, in an imitated KP voice.

Anyway, didn't mean to sound like I was making fun of anyone.  Well, except KP that is.

Darrell Henselwrote:

My couldn't go up couldn't go down post was kind of an inside joke that I thought some BITD Idyllwild climbers might remember.  I think it was Libido Roy that came up with it, in an imitated KP voice.

Anyway, didn't mean to sound like I was making fun of anyone.  Well, except KP that is.

I’ve heard this before, but didn’t remember from where nor when? Interesting and cool!

Li, it just sounds like you are trying to achieve your old strength levels while heavy and that sounds like an injury waiting to happen.

Yeah, I’m definitely trying to be careful. 90 pounds was much more than half my weight back then.

The Beastmaster feels so comfortable, though. Just like my old homemade climbing wall made from basic lumber.

The campus board my gym added is going to get some mileage for sure!

I’ll likely back off the weight and focus upon a more gradual progression this up coming year or so?

Phylp, was great meeting you at my home gym! Hope to see you there more often! But I like Upland Hangar18 as well!

Guy,,. how are you feeling?  Any better?

You wrote previously that you like the personal story connected to history.  I thought I was done digging through my mom’s stuff for awhile, but just had to sit down and read this final letter Red wrote to my mom.  He had so many flourishes in his script (beautiful to look at, but hard to read) so I wasn’t sure if I could decipher it all.  I wish I had known what my mom was carrying around all these years.  So much sorrow and disappointment.  But also… I never exactly took our freedoms for granted, but seeing what was given to achieve what we have today… sheds a different light on what we have and what we stand to lose.  Anyway… in part…. June 12, 1944, Red died June 20, 1944.  

I do wonder if this is the kind of letter that a museum would want.  I do intend to donate all of my dad’s letters. But I  Don’t EVEN know what to do with this one. 

Hello Darling…

Yesterday was very dull and after work I had intentions of writing but for some reason or other sleep overtook me.  I wonder if I’m getting old.  (He was 26)

… I was hoping to be able to answer a lot of questions but so far as I can see I’ve covered all I can, although I don’t think it will do any harm to repeat myself.  For a short period of time we had a new ship called “No Love No Nothing”.  Plus the blond beauty, but our latest is (?)… we never got around to tacking a name on the first one. It wasn’t in the family long enough.  Where did it go—to a very worthy cause,  

Being a large family (the crew and I) we could never get together on a name—so one day a friend took off and did the job himself.  I think it’s ok and different than most of the boys go in for.  The body is beautiful but it seems a shame too have it full of patches after a few missions.  

Slipping into moods of sullenness and don’t give a darn attitudes isn’t at all like you—sooo, what say chin up and fax me a big smile is all I ask at present.  (“Fax”?) 

Even here one must learn to control the mind and have faith in everything we do.  I, like everyone else, dread the thought of having to face things but my darling we have no choice in the matter.  Now is the time to fight for all we love and even though it’s a hard job we must keep pushing ahead, though my darling I will never get used to it. Be it a million years, ”Lost in action” does not mean the end has come for any one guy.  I don’t know how far I’m allowed to go in saying this — but sometimes it’s not half bad.  Being shot down is another way of saying forced down, or hitting the sIlk. (Sp?). Many many men are known to bail out—which leaves them little choice according to their position. (Escape or capture) Being in such a spot never is very slow in coming so people must have strong faith and wait — tearing one’s heart out can never help.  So for me — chin up. 

Tomorrow makes 4 months to the day that we’ve been afloat. but to me it seems like years.  My darling, you are everything I ever want —you are my whole life. Never a moment passes without a thought of you. When I lie in my sack having a good night smoke—that is when you seem close to me.  I pray each night for a quick safe return, also to protect you from any heartbreak. 

Yours into eternity…

Red

“oh my tears they feel like rain… “. (Zep)

Unpacking this letter… it seems as though Red was trying to prepare my mom for the possibility that he would be shot down, and not to assume he was dead.  Other letters make it sound like he knew what was coming.  He loaded every letter with love both in this life and in the next.  He promised to wait for her, ’through time and beyond’. 

And I’m curious… would a B24 have flown off from a carrier?  Why were they ‘afloat’ for 4 months?  

Man, this is a killer.  

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A disagreement Tony and I have been having.  Period movies like the Titanic, or documentaries like Masters of the Air… I do not believe they would ever have used the words ‘fuck’ and ‘shit’…. Even amongst themselves.  Not just in ‘polite company’ but ever… it just wasn’t in the vernacular until much later… maybe the mid 60’s?  Even then, rarely.  Now of course it’s every other word.

Darrell Henselwrote:

My couldn't go up couldn't go down post was kind of an inside joke that I thought some BITD Idyllwild climbers might remember.  I think it was Libido Roy that came up with it, in an imitated KP voice.

Anyway, didn't mean to sound like I was making fun of anyone.  Well, except KP that is.

Oh yeah... I remember.  Later in history I think Paul Piana (sp?) and or Todd Skinner wrote a short book called "No shit, there I was..."  Or it was the name of a slide show tour they did in the early 90's late 80's?

Lori Milaswrote:

  Now of course it’s every other word.

  

https://www.politico.eu/article/britains-potty-mouthed-parliament/

Lori, The letter from Red is, of course, heart-rending, especially knowing what was about to happen. I think that archivists and historians would find this and similar letters to be of great value. What better evidence could there be of the contemporary feelings of those doing the fighting.
No, B-24s did not fly off carriers. In one instance, the Doolittle raid on Tokyo, smaller B-17s were modified to fly off of a carrier ( but not return to it), but I'm unaware of B-24s ever doing so. Additionally, didn't Red fly in the European Theater? In that Theater, US bombers almost invariably flew from land bases not carriers. So I have no idea what he was referring to, unless it was some type of purposeful deception authorization by the censors.

As for swearing. All I can say is that you are VERY mistaken. SNAFU and FUBAR, for example, were WW2 'creations'.

Alan Rubinwrote:

Lori, The letter from Red is, of course, heart-rending, especially knowing what was about to happen. I think that archivists and historians would find this and similar letters to be of great value. What better evidence could there be of the contemporary feelings of those doing the fighting.
No, B-24s did not fly off carriers. In one instance, the Doolittle raid on Tokyo, smaller B-17s were modified to fly off of a carrier ( but not return to it), but I'm unaware of B-24s ever doing so. Additionally, didn't Red fly in the European Theater? In that Theater, US bombers almost invariably flew from land bases not carriers. So I have no idea what he was referring to, unless it was some type of purposeful deception authorization by the censors.

As for swearing. All I can say is that you are VERY mistaken. SNAFU and FUBAR, for example, were WW2 'creations'.

Yeah I was going to mention SNAFU and FUBAR (in the 60's that got sanitized into FOOBAR).  Doolittle's 30 seconds over Tokyo used B-25's (2 engines) I'm pretty sure.  The "afloat" part is puzzling assuming they were based in England.  Maybe slang for how long they were using the same airplane?  Or gone without being shot down?