Have a chance to move to LA. How's the climbing?

This thread is hilarious!

So not my name- be honest now. You live in an uncrowded, cheap part of San Diego?
Really!

Andrew Ricewrote:

Seriously, dude, I know you're a troll, but can you at least try to sound like you're out of Jr. High? "He wanted to live in pleasant burbs and get double for his money..." Not sure who you are talking about but sounds like they should move to the climbing Mecca of Madison, WI. It's got all that and ice fishing, to boot!

"That’s a tiny fraction of climbers."

Who cares? If you want a place that's great for "all climbers" I'm sure you'll love Boulder! 

Reading comprehension and critical thinking are key here wealthy producer Andy . I accept your apology and and admission that you’re wrong 

Guy Keeseewrote:

This thread is hilarious!

So not my name- be honest now. You live in an uncrowded, cheap part of San Diego?
Really!

Reading comprehension and critical thinking are key here Guy. The discussion is on why LA is a shit hole not fit to live in. And the other posts explained that all of coastal California is overly expensive and overly crowded. Hence not a place to move to. Look at a map. You’re  welcome. 

Mark Frumkinwrote:

Used 2climb, that's the motto for almost everywhere at this time on this planet. I can live anywhere I want to, I live here because I can live nowhere better for less! 

You’re in Bishop, six hours from LA in typical traffic. Not relevant to the discussion 

I'm really hoping "Not My Name" starts a thread of places he/she/they think are great to live. I'm guessing AZ and TX rank high. With vacations to Branson, Missouri. 

Diego Climberwrote:

Reading comprehension and critical thinking are key here Guy. The discussion is on why LA is a shit hole not fit to live in. And the other posts explained that all of coastal California is overly expensive and overly crowded. Hence not a place to move to. Look at a map. You’re  welcome. 

Ah, so now you’re just being a confrontational d-bag (which I guess isn’t all that different) than how you came across previously).  This thread isn’t about reading.  It’s about vibes.  For my part, it seems clear to me that Guy “comprehends“ that far better than you.

Where I live has nothing to do with this conversation, where you live has everything to do with it! You live in a pit that is not as good as the pit north of you! I don't live in a pit! Although @ 4000 ft. I live at the bottom of the deepest valley in the U.S.

Bishop is 4 hours from L.A. if I hit heavy traffic on the 14, or about the same time it takes to go from S.D. to L.A. on an average weekday. 

Like most of us that have climbed for a while, I have been to every state in the U.S. and a lot of the world's best cities & if I had to live in a city it would be L.A. Best music in the world - thank you Hollywood. Best mix of food almost anywhere, Mountains, oceans, deserts & the Southern Sierra Nevada are only two hours away, JT 3 hours if you live on the west side less if not, and Yosemite 4 hours.   

Please include a Google Maps link from roughly where you live to Bishop in both midday lulls and rush hour. If you lived on the Eastern outskirts I could believe that, but highly dubious of anyone making it through LA traffic and up 395 in that time.

LA is better for climbing than Kansas can we agree on that? Probably better than Florida as well.

Karl Walterswrote:

Please include a Google Maps link from roughly where you live to Bishop in both midday lulls and rush hour. If you lived on the Eastern outskirts I could believe that, but highly dubious of anyone making it through LA traffic and up 395 in that time.

LA is better for climbing than Kansas can we agree on that? Probably better than Florida as well.

Here's a Google Maps screenshot of the estimated time from the Santa Monica Pier, near where I live, to Bishop, right now on a Tuesday morning at 9:45 AM. Mark was off by 6 minutes. Los Angeles, of course, starts about an hour away from where I am. So technically Bishop is well within 4 hours of LA. I've actually made it to Mammoth in 4 hours from my house, though it can also take forever if the traffic is bad. In my experience that's usually a weather-related phenomenon more than urban congestion. 

Nice, so adjust that to leaving at a slightly early time on a Friday for people with normal working hours and you get up to 6:10: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Santa+Monica+Pier,+200+Santa+Monica+Pier,+Santa+Monica,+CA+90401/Bishop,+California+93514/@35.6798738,-119.5065615,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m18!4m17!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2a4d74d5ea79b:0xcd9a111aced18f4d!2m2!1d-118.4987585!2d34.0082821!1m5!1m1!1s0x80be16019ea66407:0x13cd1e4d95e98916!2m2!1d-118.395236!2d37.3613936!2m3!6e0!7e2!8j1705676400!3e0?entry=ttu

This is assuming zero stops and maximal traffic.

Karl Walterswrote:

Nice, so adjust that to leaving at a slightly early time on a Friday for people with normal working hours and you get up to 6:10: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Santa+Monica+Pier,+200+Santa+Monica+Pier,+Santa+Monica,+CA+90401/Bishop,+California+93514/@35.6798738,-119.5065615,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m18!4m17!1m5!1m1!1s0x80c2a4d74d5ea79b:0xcd9a111aced18f4d!2m2!1d-118.4987585!2d34.0082821!1m5!1m1!1s0x80be16019ea66407:0x13cd1e4d95e98916!2m2!1d-118.395236!2d37.3613936!2m3!6e0!7e2!8j1705676400!3e0?entry=ttu

This is assuming zero stops and maximal traffic.

I'm puzzled. What's your point? That there's a thing called rush hour in a city of millions of people? Your profile says you live in Oakland. It's EXACTLY the same as driving from Oakland to Yosemite. Could be easy, could be shitty. With a lot depending on being smart about your travel time. I'd also be curious to know what percentage of people actually work a 9-5, Monday to Friday schedule any more? Not to mention rock climbers, who tend to be more educated and affluent than the average Joe. 

Andrew Ricewrote:

I'm puzzled. What's your point? 

Uh... is that a necessary requirement for posting on mp? 

The vast majority of Americans work a standard work week. Given that most rock climbers are average Americans and haven't arranged their lives around climbing, probably most of em.

From my house in Oakland to camping outside the park on a Friday night was 3.5-4hrs every weekend. Slightly shorter.

My point was using the rosiest estimate of traffic is dumb. Use a min and max and provide a range and then use basic logic of "well, people might have life commitments such as work that mean that they cannot leave mid-morning after their coffee shit"

Karl Walterswrote:

The vast majority of Americans work a standard work week. Given that most rock climbers are average Americans and haven't arranged their lives around climbing, probably most of em.

From my house in Oakland to camping outside the park on a Friday night was 3.5-4hrs every weekend. Slightly shorter.

My point was using the rosiest estimate of traffic is dumb. Use a min and max and provide a range and then use basic logic of "well, people might have life commitments such as work that mean that they cannot leave mid-morning after their coffee shit"

Friday night after traffic, presumably? I can leave my house on a Friday night at 9 PM, too, and be camping outside J-tree or Tahquitz before midnight. Same drive would take me 5 hours if I left at 4 PM. Remember, what prompted this entire conversation is Not My Name continuously harping that it's ALWAYS gridlock in the LA metropolis. Which is actually not even close to true.

Minor point of disagreement. I don't think most rock climbers are "average Americans." Most average Americans are obese and barely exercise, must less rock climb. And most Americans have little time or patience for something as committing as climbing. 

Andrew Ricewrote:

Minor point of disagreement. I don't think most rock climbers are "average Americans." Most average Americans are obese and barely exercise, must less rock climb. And most Americans have little time or patience for something as committing as climbing. 

Many climbers are free loading dirt bags that try to score a free meal, campsite, petrol, health care, etc... without a solid source of income that can be taxed. And most of the climbers I know are adhd and patience is not their virtue...

Funny how many climbers think so highly of climbers... 

x15x15wrote:

Many climbers are free loading dirt bags that try to score a free meal, campsite, petrol, health care, etc...  

Isn't climber health care called Gofundme?

x15x15wrote:

Many climbers are free loading dirt bags that try to score a free meal, campsite, petrol, health care, etc... without a solid source of income that can be taxed. And most of the climbers I know are adhd and patience is not their virtue...

Funny how many climbers think so highly of climbers... 

Dirtbags are still not an "Average American..."

While I'd love to think that Fred Beckey proteges are a significant percentage of the US climbing community, I think in actual numbers it's not really the case. Either way, dirtbags don't need to worry about 9-5 hours. 

My old climbing gym had a special lost and found box for all the SpaceX and Tesla schwag left behind by the steady stream of engineers from both those companies. Also, admittedly, not anything "average" about that gym or its clientele. But IMO the average American is more likely frequenting the Mall of the Americas or chowing down funnel cakes at Knotts Berry Farm than driving out to J-tree or Yosemite on a Friday afternoon. 

Andrew Ricewrote:

Dirtbags are still not an "Average American..."

While I'd love to think that Fred Beckey proteges are a significant percentage of the US climbing community, I think in actual numbers it's not really the case. Either way, dirtbags don't need to worry about 9-5 hours.

My old climbing gym had a special lost and found box for all the SpaceX and Tesla schwag left behind by the steady stream of engineers from both those companies. Also, admittedly, not anything "average" about that gym or its clientele. But IMO the average American is more likely frequenting the Mall of the Americas or chowing down funnel cakes at Knotts Berry Farm than driving out to J-tree or Yosemite on a Friday afternoon. 

I'm just saying that climbers are just another tool. We are nothing special... basically idiot savants that put our experiences above all others... as you point out above.

I'm ok with the idiot part, but you go too far with savants! 

x15x15wrote:

I'm just saying that climbers are just another tool. We are nothing special... basically idiot savants that put our experiences above all others... as you point out above.