Can you rappel from Broadway with a single 60m? (Crack of delight rappels)

Can anyone confirm if you can make these raps with a single 60m? 70m, 80? Thanks 

You could probably chossaneer your way down the north chimney with a single 60 and some webbing, but the crack of delight raps require double ropes.

Alexander’s Chimney goes with a single 60 as well, you might have to build one station or do some down climbing. I set one last summer but expect it got bootied since.

Any idea if an 80m would work? Or double 50’s?

Bug Boy wrote:

Any idea if an 80m would work? Or double 50’s?

You could just do the math yourself. Not really that hard. 

2 60s mandatory for crack of delight raps. I dont think double 50s would cut it. Wouldn’t recommend trying to rap the north chimney, crack of delight raps are quick and easy. Get a tagline if you dont want to carry 2 ropes up there.

Beal escaper= 2  60 m

i have done it

nerve racking for sure!

Thanks guys! (except Greg D, obviously 2X60's would work but people don't typically use double 50's or an 80 so I wanted to see if anyone had firsthand knowledge)

Bug Boy wrote:

Thanks guys! (except Greg D, obviously 2X60's would work but people don't typically use double 50's or an 80 so I wanted to see if anyone had firsthand knowledge)

You’re welcome for asking you to do basic math. But you could not. Sad. 

Just want to toss a shoutout to my man Greg D, total sweetheart. Laying out some kind and loving words to someone looking for assistance on planet earth. Why would we ever spoil Bug Boy with our thoughts and internal mathematic theories that are just so easy to figure out on our own? Asking questions about complex terrain in an attempt to reduce exposure by minimizing time spent in that terrain is truly preposterous and merits nothing but public shaming. Thank you for jumping on this offense so quickly, Greg D. 

I feel confident in saying that double 50s would work for the Crack of Delight rappels (and for the Diamond rappels as well). The first time I did these rappels was in 1999 and I am sure that neither I nor my partner was using 60-meter ropes by that point. The raps were set up at a time when 50s were still the standard. 

I'm not sure what Greg D is referring to by "basic math"--the lengths listed in the guidebook? Personally, I would treat those as approximations. 

Yeah, not sure either. I think mountain project can bring out the worst in us, myself included.

Guidebook even says that the crack of delight anchors and different than the rappel route. I’ve done the rappels a handful of times (including with a single 60m in the winter when all chains were hidden in snow, expensive). Just trying to see how short I could go for weight purposes.

Bug Boy wrote:

 I think mountain project can bring out the worst in us, myself included.

Suggesting to someone to do some math is "bring out the worst in us"? Hilarious!!!  That's some pretty thin skin and why this site has become so lame.

Let's do this Sesame Street style for the SNAGS (sensitive new age guys). 

Oscar says "What the eff Burt.  How do I do this!!!  I'm so confused.  The math is so hard.

Using 2 50m ropes to rappel, how far can I go?

Burt says 50m x 3.28 ft = 164ft, Just use google Oscar if you can't do math.  

If your EDK and tail at the top takes up 1 ft and your stopper knot at the bottom takes up 1 ft, you have 162 ft left over to rap on says Ernie, with a puzzled look.  Why is that hard?

Big Bird says,if you weigh 80 kg, you might get 8-9% stretch on rappel.  You can do the math yourself to convert from pounds or just get your feelings hurt Burt.  (Adjust accordingly if you do not weigh 80 kg, "think for yourself")  

This yields perhaps 13 ft of stretch (Snuffleupagus groans "umm more like 40 feet of stretch for my big ass when I rap with Big Bird).  

So, if your math is correct, and everything aligns, you may be able to rap up to 175 ft if you push your margins to the max.  Cookie Monster says, "that's a lot of effing cookies".

Then, you got to a guide book to see how long the raps appear to be.  

Then, you go to MoPro to see how long the raps appear to be.

Then, you decide how much margin of error you want based on your math and the published rap lengths.  

Then, you choose your fate.  

If you want to get really dicey, you could attempt this math with an 80m rope. This will require the ultra advanced operation of division.   Oscar thinks this is bad idea.  

Ok

This thread got weird.

Greg D.... You are something else. Your second comment is a MP Fourms masterpice that will be remembered far after your crusy bum is off this site. Bummer you forgot to calcute temperature into rope stretch though :(

Double ropes are for gumbies. Id rather half my weight of ropes.. Im always racked with a micro escaper, super light and no longer than my middle finger when in its bag.  Beal escapers work but are shit (but ive used them 100s of times), you gotta use the Micro escaper (homemade in SLC by Jordan) ive also used 5x different variations of this over the last many yrs in all terrain. Thatll get you down in style.

Embrace the future, escaping is the future. Dont unweight.

Oh drew, you act as if I haven’t been leading on single 7.3mm ropes and using the homemade micro escapers for years now

Greetings Forum Frothers. I come to you with a message delivered from an invisible, binary angel of the world unseen. It rappelled down to me through the internet ether, right to the knots on the rope, and commanded me to transcribe this as soon as possible. Please read!

In the jagged peaks where shadows play, Greg D, crusty and gray, held sway. Bug Boy, the mentee, his spirit unbowed, seeking answers, beneath the towering cloud.

"Are the ropes enough?" Bug Boy inquired, Greg D's eyes, a storm, fire sired. Egotistical airs, a mountainous frost, in his wisdom, Bug Boy was tossed.

A crowd of onlookers, huddled near, whispering voices, tinged with fear. Greg D scolded, with cane in hand, Sesame Street lessons across the land.

"Bug Boy, my lad, the ropes must align, like numbers in a nursery rhyme. Ernie and Bert would disapprove, of doubts that in your mind move."

"One rope, two rope, three rope, four, count well, or your fate will soar. Elmo would laugh at your lack of skill, in the art of mountain arithmetic thrill."

The cane struck the ground, a rhythmic beat, as Greg D lectured in a mountainous suite. Bug Boy, battered, but spirit intact, a lesson learned on this perilous track.

"Add and subtract, divide and sum, in this alpine classroom, you're the dumb one. Grover would scale heights with ease, while you falter in a numerical breeze."

Oscar frowned from his trashcan lair, the mountain echoed Greg D's glare. Yet Bug Boy, resilient, his spirit revived, in the face of knowledge, he strived.

The ropes entangled in a mathematical maze, as Bug Boy counted, met with Greg D's gaze. The onlookers pondered the lesson profound, a drama unfolding on mountain ground.

In the end, beyond the Sesame lore, the mountain stood, silent and sure. Bug Boy ascended, wisdom in tow, Greg D watched, a begrudging shadow.

DISCLAIMER: I cannot claim these words as my own. They have been gifted to us from a higher place, an invisible and artificial power of immeasurable intelligence. Do with them what you may, I am only a humble messenger.

A Herder wrote:

Double ropes are for gumbies. Id rather half my weight of ropes.. Im always racked with a micro escaper, super light and no longer than my middle finger when in its bag.  Beal escapers work but are shit (but ive used them 100s of times), you gotta use the Micro escaper (homemade in SLC by Jordan) ive also used 5x different variations of this over the last many yrs in all terrain. Thatll get you down in style.

Embrace the future, escaping is the future. Dont unweight.

We'll read this at your funeral, likely soon 

Eli Helmuth wrote:

We'll read this at your funeral, likely soon 

If you dont come to it im gonna kill myself. The escaper hasnt worked for this purpose yet and ive used it HUNDREDS of times :(