DOGS!

M Mwrote:

It totally has, for myself and at least one partner. Hearing stories from people who dislike and/or fear dogs has completely changed my outlook on bringing the pooch cragging. Basically that was a total shit post, except #2.

But even #2 is dumb.  Like someone can walk around blasting a Bluetooth speaker on a backpack and "not be breaking the law".  I can guarantee Todd and the majority of humanity isn't going to want that, and saying it's humanity's issue to not be offended by it is stupid. This person has options to not annoy/offend anyone by wearing head phones, using the speaker in a private setting, and most importantly learn to be decent to those around you.  What they choose instead is to be ignorant to the rest of humanity, much like shitty dog owners do. 

apogeewrote:

+1000 Mark

There is such strong support for the OP’s view on this issue (and has been repeated in many other forums), it’s mind blowing that dog owners still don’t get the message and believe they are an exception.

The problem with everyone else at the crag is that they think they own the place! But not me! I’m perfect! 

(I’m case I’m not laying it on thick enough, this goes both ways.)

Todd Berlier wrote:

no its not dumb, its just the way it is.  I'm in complete agreement about how the world should be (eta: imo that's being kind, considerate and showing empathy to all) my points are just describing how it is.

Kind, considerate and showing empathy doesn't even get you but an upvote or two. Take my previous comment, for example. Of course, up votes and attention isn't why one should be/do those things, but I bring it up because people seem to respond more when it's the opposite. 

My point being, people always say they want a better world, but good behavior isn't praised enough or at all and often the response to that is, "well, fuck it, nobody cares anyway, why should I?"

It's a very much thankless world we live in and it shows by how careless people have become.

When a pickpocket sees a saint all he sees are his pockets.

Doh!

It’s quite simple.

Rule #1: Don’t be a jerk. 

What have you done all thread?? lol

5Seven Kevinwrote:

That’s What I  have done all thread?? lol

Fixed that for you.

This place is a total junk show

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/multiple-mountain-goats-kill-off-180046588.html

The OGs of climbing have had it with the dogs

Fehim Hasecicwrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/multiple-mountain-goats-kill-off-180046588.html

The OGs of climbing have had it with the dogs

That's horrific. Mountain goats cause tremendous damage to the alpine tundra. 

GOATed reaction to a trespassing mongrel beast

Hmm, I suspect Fritz is behind this

I've been harassed by these beasts in Utah, such grand and bad ass beasts they are. 

Fehim Hasecicwrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/multiple-mountain-goats-kill-off-180046588.html

The OGs of climbing have had it with the dogs

 "We don’t have any rouge mountain goats up there deliberately charging people or using their horns just for fun," the sheriff’s office spokesman told Cowboy State Daily. 

But if they did, they'd be easy to see.

I just got a dog a few months ago and I’ve taught her that the leash and being tied up are sometimes part of dog life. Nbd, she runs around the ranch I live at plenty. Just chiming in here because I am shocked at the number of people who have surprisingly said, “You keep your dog on a leash?” Cracks me up every time because apparently no matter how much people complain about unmanaged dogs, many dog owners are still totally clueless that this is a problem for others and that done properly dogs learn that leashes and crates really are nbd and part of dog life in this human world. Also, I don’t think any of them are reading this post but I totally get needing to vent, so let it out!

A buddhist monk told me one time, “A dog that barks is undercooked.” 

@ Heidi,

Hi--welcome to the dog family. 

You might not recognize my name, but if you stick around this thread, we'll become aquainted.  I'm the self-appointed defender of dogs' rights 'round these parts.  I also like to post pictures of my dog, Luna.  (At the bottom of this post is a picture of Luna sleeping in MY bed in MY pillow space.  I've been pushed out of my own bed).

Whenever the comments start drifting too much into the anti-dog direction (see recent posts above) I like to bring things back to reality.  

Regarding your post, I've got no real problems, except perhaps this part: "Cracks me up every time because apparently no matter how much people complain about unmanaged dogs, many dog owners are still totally clueless that this is a problem for others." 

The problem (as we have been over many times) is that different people have different views of what an "unmanged dog" looks like and exactly how, when, and why we should "manage" our dogs. 

For example, nice natural wild area, no leash laws, people hiking, climbing, whatever, one person's idea of a dog living the good life, running round having fun, is another person's idea of an frightening, filthy, larcenous, pestilent beast.  For every person who says, "I am entitled to walk around unbothered by dogs," I would say, "You have an entitled attitude to beleive that you can go out into public spaces and not mix with the public."  

What cracks me up is how these threads just keep going and going and going...who knew that dogs would be more divisive than Obama vs Trump, gun regulations, religion, or the correct way to use Grigri?

Be sure to let your dog play off leash sometimes!  They need to learn to be on leash, but they also deserve to be free occasionally, even if it makes some people uncomfortable.

what do you call a barking dog? 350 degrees too cool and unsalted

apogee wrote:

Dogs are not humans.

No, they are superior to humans.