Disciples of the new wave-snowshed wall-bolt added?

Maybe this new accessibility will even out traffic between Disciples and Aerial? Less gangbang on Aerial, and more people punting off the last move of Disciples? 

Matt Miccioli wrote:

Considering Tommy Herbert's numerous iconic contributions to California climbing (Father's Day, Ecstasy, half of the routes at Jailhouse, etc), I think giving him the benefit of the doubt here is probably a safe bet. Thanks for continuing to give to the community, Tommy!

Who cares? Honestly... why have generations of climbers had to be competent on their skills and abilities to lead  certain routes, that are now just sport wanking gimmes? Who cares about his “cOntRiBuTiOnS”. I’ve contributed in plenty of ways without undermining and pussifying the little game we all play call rock climbing. I agree vastly with the above post about where the line gets drawn... I think I’ll go bolt panic In Detroit because it’s sCaRy. 

Colby Wangler wrote:

Who cares? Honestly... why have generations of climbers had to be competent on their skills and abilities to lead  certain routes, that are now just sport wanking gimmes? Who cares about his “cOntRiBuTiOnS”. I’ve contributed in plenty of ways without undermining and pussifying the little game we all play call rock climbing. I agree vastly with the above post about where the line gets drawn... I think I’ll go bolt panic In Detroit because it’s sCaRy. 

Maybe you have some kind of contributions but this sure as shootin' ain't any kind of contribution in any way.

Ellis L wrote: Maybe this new accessibility will even out traffic between Disciples and Aerial? Less gangbang on Aerial, and more people punting off the last move of Disciples? 

Or, more likely-- more traffic on both disciples and aerial. It's well appreciated that adding more lanes to a freeway increases, not decreases, congestion.... 

MP wrote:

Or, more likely-- more traffic on both disciples and aerial. It's well appreciated that adding more lanes to a freeway increases, not decreases, congestion.... 

Aeriel is waaaay less sporty than it used to be too, lol!

The third bolt on Aerial used to not be there, about 5 or 6 years ago...

anecdotal evidence, but there has been a lot more traffic on disciples in the last few days. Isn't that a wonderful development! (Sarcasm if not obvious)

No...

For those interested in doing something that would actually make climbers safer at snowshed wall:

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/119155328/add-no-trundling-signs-to-top-of-snowshed-wall

abandon moderation wrote:

You still need community consensus. Just because the FA doesn't care doesn't mean you can bolt a crack. As should be obvious from all the bolt chopping.

Same as if someone went out and FAd a splitter crack and bolted it; FA or not it's getting chopped.

i would like to know who drills a hole 1ft from a crack and thinks it's a good idea...

My thoughts since the beginning. Also, who goes to climb at snowshed and DOESNT have a rack, or a few pieces at least. If you’re seeking it out as a sport climbing area, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Go somewhere else. Period. End of story. 

Colby Wanglerwrote:

My thoughts since the beginning. Also, who goes to climb at snowshed and DOESNT have a rack, or a few pieces at least. If you’re seeking it out as a sport climbing area, you’re barking up the wrong tree. Go somewhere else. Period. End of story. 

That’s besides the point big daddy traddy. Locals are gonna show up with just a rope and a micro. Maybe strong folk only wanna climb in the shady gully. Who cares if people want to clip bolts. If you’re creating a nuisance, being unsafe, endangering others, or ADDING bolts, then yea... go somewhere else. But no need to spray judgement if unnecessary. 

Thanks to everyone that developed and bolted the route. I love trad, and happily enjoy sport climbing this thing. 

abandon moderation wrote:

I'm amazed it's lasted this long, it should still be chopped. I can't think of any other bolts right beside a crack at Snowshed.

Pump lust? 

its been a long time since ive been on the route and I trust the kind folks of mp will correct me if Im wrong, however I thought the bolt on deciples allows for two exits. One, the crack where you traverse right around the arete and use the crack for to do the moves/pro to the chains.  The bolt encouraged/allowed you to stay on the same face and do the testy mantle to anchor.  I recall this exit feeling decently more difficult than going around the arete.

so a silver lining could suggest the bolt allows for variations for the route.

Kevin Crumwrote:

its been a long time since ive been on the route and I trust the kind folks of mp will correct me if Im wrong, however I thought the bolt on deciples allows for two exits. One, the crack where you traverse right around the arete and use the crack for to do the moves/pro to the chains.  The bolt encouraged/allowed you to stay on the same face and do the testy mantle to anchor.  I recall this exit feeling decently more difficult than going around the arete.

so a silver lining could suggest the bolt allows for variations for the route.

No, this post is about the 1st bolt, which is the 1st piece of pro now. The last one is also kinda "near a crack", but not nearly as bad and does let you finish left.

Such a good climb. Who cares if there’s two new bolts at the bottom. Person who equipped got permission. Skip bolts if you want to. 

Not necessarily.  The new gen are just the loudest ones sometimes. I probably won't repeat the route in it's current state, but I don't care to chop it or raise a stink either.

I think it's dumb but at least there's a whole lotta rock climbs out there.

The fact that it's a glue in probably helped it stick around.