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LCC - Salsa Verde

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Perin Blanchard · · Orem, UT · Joined Oct 2005 · Points: 8,479

The messages below were comments on the route ??.

They were moved to this forum thread to "unclutter" things.

johann solo · · Sandy · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 984

This "route" is an established TR and should remain that way. Contrived and over-bolted, the bolts should be removed like they were before. This was not an "abandoned" project but a TR that was bolted and then had the bolts removed. The TR just to the left of Green A also had bolts added but were removed. mountainproject.com/route/1…

Dwayne La Roca · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2022 · Points: 167

How about you guys meet up, look at each other in the eyes, climb together, and keep it real



Oh, and delete all this foolish folly

grug g · · SLC · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 0

Its a fun climb and adds another option in the area if you are waiting to get on the classics. I don't really think it can be done at "only" 5.9. 

Shift Kicker · · UT · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 1

It makes for a good approach pitch to get to Meat Puppets (which was rap bolted as well). I don't think I would ever climb this if it was a TR...

grug g · · SLC · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 0
Shift Kicker wrote:

It makes for a good approach pitch to get to Meat Puppets (which was rap bolted as well). I don't think I would ever climb this if it was a TR...

No one would climb it as a TR - the anchors are not in a convenient spot to set one up. 

John Sigmon · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2019 · Points: 83
Perin Blanchard wrote:

The messages below were comments on the route ??.

They were moved to this forum thread to "unclutter" things.

I don’t care about whether this bolted or not, but I am a bit curious why you felt that a bolting discussion about a route doesn’t belong on the route’s page to stay part of it’s history? Moving the comments here seems like some weird attempt at censorship or covering something up. 


Should similar comments and discussions on routes like Perhaps be haphazardly dumped in a regional section to fade away as well? Who gets to decide that?

grug g · · SLC · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 0
John Sigmon wrote:

I don’t care about whether this bolted or not, but I am a bit curious why you felt that a bolting discussion about a route doesn’t belong on the route’s page to stay part of it’s history? Moving the comments here seems like some weird attempt at censorship or covering something up. 


Should similar comments and discussions on routes like Perhaps be haphazardly dumped in a regional section to fade away as well? Who gets to decide that?

I don't think its a censorship thing. I think he found something that he didn't agree with, but wanted the community to weigh in. People may have not navigated to the route to comment there. Furthermore, people arguing about a route in the comments is a bit annoying at times and doesn't add value to the route page.

John Sigmon · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2019 · Points: 83
grug g wrote:

Furthermore, people arguing about a route in the comments is a bit annoying at times and doesn't add value to the route page.

I find it adds the valuable context of community opinion so I disagree. Maybe it doesn’t add value *for you*

Scott Sinner · · Reno, NV · Joined Apr 2011 · Points: 35

I was just thinking the other day how LCC could really use another slab climb.

Jeremy McCormick · · salt lake city · Joined Mar 2020 · Points: 35

Dwayne La Roca · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2022 · Points: 167

Sooo, who is going to own up to removing the route? Whoever it is, if you felt so confident as to act on your convictions, then it seems reasonable for you to confidently own your decision and any potential consequences there-of. You know, just like those who installed the hardware…a PSA.

Creed Archibald · · Salt Lake City, UT · Joined Apr 2012 · Points: 1,026

+1 for reinstalling the bolts. All the Top Rope Tough Guys out there can still TR it with the lead bolts.

The only part of the FA party’s actions that offended me is their argument that certain features are “off.” If you have to use bad beta to achieve a certain grade, the route was graded incorrectly. 

grug g · · SLC · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 0

I misunderstood the situation - I didn't realize the bolts had been chopped...WTF is wrong with these LCC boomers? Guess we just wait until they die and then we can bolt this slab and put bolted anchors on school room.  

zoso · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2007 · Points: 793
grug g wrote:

...WTF is wrong with these LCC boomers? Guess we just wait until they die and then we can ... put bolted anchors on Schoolroom. 

Nice troll.  Extraordinarily BAD idea. 

grug g · · SLC · Joined Jul 2022 · Points: 0
zoso wrote:

Nice troll.  Extraordinarily BAD idea. 

Here he is.
Did you chop the bolts on Salsa Verde?

John Sigmon · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Nov 2019 · Points: 83

To be honest I can’t tell if the bolts were chopped once, or twice

Dwayne La Roca · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2022 · Points: 167

It is said that the dark-triad perpetrator will more often than not show up to the crime scene. (or forum?)

zoso · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jun 2007 · Points: 793
grug g wrote:

Here he is.
Did you chop the bolts on Salsa Verde?

That's funny.  

I've been known to be passionate about stuff but that's too much work just to be a dick.  

Dwayne La Roca · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Sep 2022 · Points: 167

If I were a detective I’d pull Johannsolo’s file and pay him a visit

johann solo · · Sandy · Joined Nov 2010 · Points: 984

My position on this is stated up thread but  you'll need to keep looking for the perp.  I'm too old for that.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

Northern Utah & Idaho
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