DOGS!

climber patwrote:

The real problem is too many people at the crags.  Quit having babies and introducing everyone you meet to climbing

You can help solve this problem today. It's super easy and costs nothing. Quit climbing yourself.

You can help solve this problem today. It's super easy and costs nothing. Quit climbing yourself.

Yes, we need more of this. And stop encouraging gym climbers to take up real climbing.

J Lindwrote:

Hmm.  I dunno.  Unleashed dog can be very annoying.  I love my dogs.  I’m a better owner now. But. Let’s be fair.  I’m tired of you Bluetooth speaker, drone, pot odor, screaming while frustrated or falling, kids throwing rocks, hammocks, people who don’t follow instructions when meeting my dogs and associated nonsense, bad behavior.  
but.
your frustration is justified and heard.
I agree.

What exactly are these ‘instructions’ that you speak of?

And hammocks, Really? 

Michael Rushwrote:
And hammocks, Really? 

Yes, really. But that’s a different thread. 

Glen Priorwrote:

Hey Bruno. About that trough your dog is soaking its asshole in. Who or what was it actually built for?

Hi Glen!  Those troughs are built for cows.  Hikers often fill bottles or drink from the spigots, but you wouldn't want to dip bottles into the troughs themselves...they're usually a mess of algae, floaters, and random debris i.e. perfect for dogs.  

Glen Priorwrote:

Keep at it. Determination and persistence are omnipotent.

Calvin Coolidge 

And hammocks, Really?

A generational embarrassment.

Bruno Schullwrote:

Hi Glen!  Those troughs are built for cows.  Hikers often fill bottles or drink from the spigots, but you wouldn't want to dip bottles into the troughs themselves...they're usually a mess of algae, floaters, and random debris i.e. perfect for dogs.  

https://www.farminguk.com/news/farmer-reveals-devastating-impact-of-dog-waste-on-cows_57949.html

I wonder what the owners of the cows think

Dustin Bwrote:

You can help solve this problem today. It's super easy and costs nothing. Quit climbing yourself.

I choose to not reproduce and only climb in areas where I am very unlikely to see another human. And I stopped introducing new climbers to the sport 20 years ago. 

M Mwrote:

https://www.farminguk.com/news/farmer-reveals-devastating-impact-of-dog-waste-on-cows_57949.html

I wonder what the owners of the cows think

1) Pack it out even on the idylic and wild Swiss alps. 

2) Cows and sheep farming are a teribble blight on the landscape in Switzerland (and elsewhere).  Intensive landscape modification, greenhouse gas emission, and animal creulty (do some googling about the Swiss cow bells).  

3) A dog taking a swim in a water trough makes no difference despite your desire to show otherwise. 

4) You must be fun at parties. 

Bruno Schullwrote:

1) Pack it out even on the idylic and wild Swiss alps.

Maybe you meant especially? 

Bruno Schullwrote:

1) Pack it out even on the idylic and wild Swiss alps. 

2) Cows and sheep farming are a teribble blight on the landscape in Switzerland (and elsewhere).  Intensive landscape modification, greenhouse gas emission, and animal creulty (do some googling about the Swiss cow bells).  

3) A dog taking a swim in a water trough makes no difference despite your desire to show otherwise. 

4) You must be fun at parties. 

I respect others, I know you and your dog are special but you should try it!

To all the old crusty’s that hate hammocks, dang I feel sorry for your level of tight ass-ism. Somebody resting in a hammock in the woods, not a peep from their mouth, well that’s one more person that’s not on that super popular 5.7 that you wanna hop on. 

Bruno Schullwrote:

1) Pack it out even on the idylic and wild Swiss alps. 

2) Cows and sheep farming are a teribble blight on the landscape in Switzerland (and elsewhere).  Intensive landscape modification, greenhouse gas emission, and animal creulty (do some googling about the Swiss cow bells).  

3) A dog taking a swim in a water trough makes no difference despite your desire to show otherwise. 

4) You must be fun at parties. 

While I agree that free range animals suck. Most domesticated animals fall into the animal cruelty category. (I'm sure Luna isn't there she looks great)

I'd avoid using the "you must be fun at parties" line its past its prime and paints more of a target on the person using the phrase instead of the intended audience. 

Lastly everyone should see the alps before those glaciers go. Because in a few decades they're going to look like the Wasatch Front with more brown and a lot less green. 

Michael Rushwrote:

To all the old crusty’s that hate hammocks, dang I feel sorry for your level of tight ass-ism. Somebody resting in a hammock in the woods, not a peep from their mouth, well that’s one more person that’s not on that super popular 5.7 that you wanna hop on. 

People are setting up hammocks across trails and at the base of crags. THAT’S the problem. 

Bruno Schullwrote:

1) Pack it out even on the idylic and wild Swiss alps. 

2) Cows and sheep farming are a teribble blight on the landscape in Switzerland (and elsewhere).  Intensive landscape modification, greenhouse gas emission, and animal creulty (do some googling about the Swiss cow bells).  

The Swiss have been farming those alps for centuries have they not? And tourists pay good money to see those meadows filled with cows and sheep. 

Pets have an environmental impact as well you know, including animal cruelty.

Garry Reisswrote:

The Swiss… tourists pay good money to see those meadows filled with cows and sheep. 

Fuck sheep.  Figuratively, not literally.  

Closest I’ve come to getting the chop in the alpine was getting nearly shoved off a cliff by frickin sheep in Switzerland.

I would’ve loved to have seen a competent dog in the area to help me out.  (Likely the dog on duty was off begging at tables and looking cute down in the valley while his herd was running amok on the mountainside and trying to kill people)

Everything becomes a problem if there's "too much" of it. 

Mark Pilatewrote:

Fuck sheep.  Figuratively, not literally.  

Closest I’ve come to getting the chop in the alpine was getting nearly shoved off a cliff by frickin sheep in Switzerland.

I would’ve loved to have seen a competent dog in the area to help me out.  (Likely the dog on duty was off begging at tables and looking cute down in the valley while his herd was running amok on the mountainside and trying to kill people)

Please segway this thread into a detailed TR of your near death experience.

Marc801 Cwrote:

People are setting up hammocks across trails and at the base of crags. THAT’S the problem. 

What's wrong with a hammock at the base of the crag?? Tons of places to chill while between burns or for the wife. Unless you figuratively mean ON the base of the crag, like to a tree and bolt on the wall.

In which case Brilliant idea!