Freedom.

The other thread is locked.  I think folks have the right to struggle on a climb as long as they are doing it reasonably protected. Sounds like the op was perfectly safe. He fell and was not injured. Got back on the rock and finished the pitch.  Good job. We don't have to always look pretty.  Heck even when someone really does look sketchy it's none of my business unless they are endangering someone else who looks like they can't make their own informed decisions. 

This one.

I agree with Nick’s thoughts here.

For me, that thread was just getting overly one-sided without any direct input from the other party.

When the civil war begins between guides and gumbies, choose your side wisely. 

everyone has a right to be a gumby.. you are not special because you climb a certain grade and nobody cares that you Telle. 

Bryanwrote:

When the civil war begins between guides and gumbies, choose your side wisely. 

Considering I don’t use guides I’ll choose gumbies. Everyone started as a gumby anyways. 

that thread was just getting overly one-sided without any direct input from the other party.

Boy, no kidding. I think many readers had that impression. One-sided, no need to be so, and distasteful. 

He did say the other party contacted him to explain and clear the air and apologized.  But he “wasn’t having it” by his own account.  

I have no horse in the race, but the needle swung in my book for “the guide” after that post, unless I’m missing something in another thread or on Facebook.  

In general, deal with issues forthrightly in the moment when you’re face to face.   Shit happens and not always possible, no biggie.  But if someone attempts to apologize and clear the air, it’s difficult for me to understand how that wasn’t accepted.  But even if the “Apology” was unsatisfactory somehow, don’t throw it back in their face.  

I commend OP though for not escalating further or calling the company or “the manager” — sorry but that would be Karen-esque and a wuss move in my opinion   

Don’t we have something better to talk about besides two insecure dirtbags bickering at the crag?

Tradibanwrote:

Don’t we have something better to talk about besides two insecure dirtbags bickering at the crag?

You mean like bickering online?  

Mark Pilatewrote:

He did say the other party contacted him to explain and clear the air and apologized.  But he “wasn’t having it” by his own account.  

“He ended by just apologizing because he didn’t mean to offend me, which I told him I didn’t buy when he’s talkin shit behind my back. I don’t do that.”

I started to suspect troll job at this part, since the OP was clearly shit talking (posting) behind the guide’s back.

Mark Pilate wrote:

Seemed plausible, except trolls don’t typically lock their threads right after a troll…

To Tradi:  slow news day 

I thought maybe MP locked it?  Or maybe he’s just oblivious to how that sentence sounded.

regardless of what that other thread was doing this one is about letting other folks do their thing... For a country that preaches freedom we rarely allow it. 

I can see solid ground for both camps.

Freedom to be a gumbie, or have your own adventure without a peanut gallery is great.

Freedom to be intolerant of contrition is not great. 

I suspect the op locked that other thread. I think he was expecting everyone to side with him. He clearly wanted to blame his fall on someone else. And after he still kept bitching after the apology it was clear he is a whiny little bitch.

Regarding freedom online, it doesn’t exist. From mp deleting as they wish to public private partnerships between government and big tech deciding what info should and should not be published. 

Tradibanwrote:

Don’t we have something better to talk about besides two insecure dirtbags bickering at the crag?

Yes.  Yes we do...   https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/topic/124103028/speed-climbing-sub-5-seconds

Tradibanwrote:

Don’t we have something better to talk about besides two insecure dirtbags bickering at the crag?

the fall is his fault. being a dick and hassling other climbers is the other guys fault.  let people do their thing as long as they are not trashing the cliff or dropping shit on you. 

Greg Dwrote:

I suspect the op locked that other thread. I think he was expecting everyone to side with him. He clearly wanted to blame his fall on someone else. And after he still kept bitching after the apology it was clear he is a whiny little bitch.

Regarding freedom online, it doesn’t exist. From mp deleting as they wish to public private partnerships between government and big tech deciding what info should and should not be published. 

Your not good at trolling.  Try harder.  

J T wrote:

You mean like bickering online about bickering in person?

meta.  

Chad Millerwrote:

Your not good at trolling.  Try harder.  

Cause I'm not trolling.

No disagreement with your points Nick, but it seems even by past OP’s one sided account, there may have been “other than dickhead intentions” involved here by the supposed “guide”.  

Maybe the timing was poor, and the delivery sucked, who knows … but by the OP’s account there was 5.5R section above.  If you’re a local experienced climber and you see someone struggling and falling in the well protected section but know there is a potentially dangerous runout section above, it’s not always a dick move to mention it.    

Again, timing, delivery, and sincerity vs spray, etc is important but it seems there are some subtleties involved here both during and afterwards that make it pretty cloudy