PSA reminder to leave your Drones at Home

Am I THAT wrong? You might want to get acquainted with this:

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1423-destruction-aircraft-18-usc-32a#:~:text=1423.-,Destruction%20Of%20Aircraft%20%2D%2D%2018%20U.S.C.,is%20defined%20in%2049%20U.S.C.

All drones over 249 grams are federally required to be registered with the FAA, but the law can extend to any aircraft, manned or unmanned.  

Also that's not how air rights work.  Air rights CAN extend up to 1,000 feet under certain circumstances but it's not that cut and dry. Here's some more material for you. It mentions drones and how air rights extend to them. 

https://www.landsearch.com/blog/property-air-rights

As with any form of trespassing, there's nuance. If a car pulls onto your driveway, it's usually frowned upon to blow the vehicle into pieces. 

I'm sure most people won't read the links so TLDR drones are classified as aircraft, it's illegal to shoot them, it's illegal to discharge guns in such manner under nearly all jurisdictions, and you probably shouldn't own a gun if that's your first thought when someone is enjoying piloting a recreational RC aircraft. 

I should also add: drone operators who fly over private property or near people are assholes and shouldn't own one. Unfortunately the law typically sides with the operator. 

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Patrick L. wrote:

I mean there is definitely a video of a guy cutting his own head off with a remote control helicopter. I doubt it ever will happen but I sure wouldn't want to be hit by one while climbing. 

For sure, I can definitely see a drone cutting a rope. I had someone fly a mini2 into my leg and it broke the skin pretty bad. Left a gash and some bruising... and that's one of the smallest rec drones available.. 

maybe the hownot2 guys wanna do some tests.

Regarding Chad's reply, there's dozens of legal stories you can read of people getting into pretty serious trouble from downing a drone. Pretty much none where it was justified. Maybe you're 100% right, I'm not a lawyer, I'm a chef. but its absolutely reckless behavior unless your life is in danger. 

Sounds like you're advocating destruction of property and possibly violating federal law so I'm just trying to say it's not a good idea, Particularly on public land. 

Don't shoot drones, it's a bad look. Find the owner, challenge them to a game of fisticuffs. Winner take all.

Kyle Elliottwrote:

Am I THAT wrong? You might want to get acquainted with this:

https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1423-destruction-aircraft-18-usc-32a#:~:text=1423.-,Destruction%20Of%20Aircraft%20%2D%2D%2018%20U.S.C.,is%20defined%20in%2049%20U.S.C.

All drones over 249 grams are federally required to be registered with the FAA, but the law can extend to any aircraft, manned or unmanned.  

Also that's not how air rights work.  Air rights CAN extend up to 1,000 feet under certain circumstances but it's not that cut and dry. Here's some more material for you. It mentions drones and how air rights extend to them. 

https://www.landsearch.com/blog/property-air-rights

As with any form of trespassing, there's nuance. If a car pulls onto your driveway, it's usually frowned upon to blow the vehicle into pieces. 

I'm sure most people won't read the links so TLDR drones are classified as aircraft, it's illegal to shoot them, it's illegal to discharge guns in such manner under nearly all jurisdictions, and you probably shouldn't own a gun if that's your first thought when someone is enjoying piloting a recreational RC aircraft. 

You are THAT wrong.

FAA REGISTRATION 

"All drones must be registered, except those that weigh 0.55 pounds or less (less than 250 grams) AND are flown exclusively under the Exception for Recreational Flyers." - That's a far cry from ALL drones must be registered with the FAA.  

https://www.faa.gov/uas/getting_started/register_drone#:~:text=All%20drones%20must%20be%20registered,the%20Exception%20for%20Recreational%20Flyers.

As for shooting drones, you should read your own link

1423. DESTRUCTION OF AIRCRAFT -- 18 U.S.C. 32(A)

"Jurisdiction over acts relating to the destruction of aircraft or aircraft facilities extends to "any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States." The term "special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States" is defined in 49 U.S.C. § 46501(2) (formerly section 101(38) of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 (49 U.S.C.App. § 1301(38))). See this Manual at 1405.

It is implicit in the kind of conduct prohibited by paragraph (1) of section 32(a) (setting fire to, damaging, destroying or disabling any aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction) that such acts are likely to endanger the safety of the aircraft." 

Drones are not in the specialty aircraft jurisdiction until they get to be over a certain size - typically around 55 pounds.  Having to register your drone with the FAA doesn't classify it in the special aircraft jurisdiction. 

AIR RIGHTS

Air rights do work like that.  Unless they've been previously sold they are automatically part of the property you own.  

https://www.masterclass.com/articles/air-rights-guide

Tradibanwrote:

I would be the first to shoot a drone out of the air but I don’t see the chances of your reasons to be very high.

They’re obnoxious and that’s reason enough to cancel them.

Anybody have any “That drone severed my rope!” stories?

I mean there is definitely a video of a guy cutting his own head off with a remote control helicopter. I doubt it ever will happen but I sure wouldn't want to be hit by one while climbing. 

Ok so what about just smashing them with a rock? Federal crime? 

M Mwrote:

Ok so what about just smashing them with a rock? Federal crime? 

Only if it's witnessed by an ill informed chef.  

Patrick Lwrote:

I mean there is definitely a video of a guy cutting his own head off with a remote control helicopter.

Not a 'drone' -  bigger blade, greater weight, faster rotational speed. And it took off "the top of his head", not cutting off his own head.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2013/09/06/pkg-new-york-man-killed-by-toy-helicopter.ny1

Tradibanwrote:

I don’t know why the youth think everything needs to be filmed.

Duh…no video and you probably didn’t do it. Besides, name one thing that’s relevant without being filmed? (“It” of course could be absolutely anything.)

Tossing my two cents out there...

I don't want to be on video and want to just enjoy the peace without some RC car zipping around me (the Pigeons at our local crag already do that for me). But I also understand we share the space (let's be real, we allow other tourists to gaze on us as we climb...) So basically, fly it but far away from me.

That being said, have you met today's youth? A lot of these kids are going to bring them out whether we like it or not. Even if something is illegal they will still do it for the video. So how do we set the tempo and base rules for them to consider going forward in climbing community? Shooting them down/rocks, etc... will only lead them to post a video and then we get to deal with all that negative attention.

We just kill the drone, that's how.

Cherokee Nuneswrote:

We just kill the drone, that's how.

I guess you missed all the posts about the illegality of that.

Marc801 Cwrote:

I guess you missed all the posts about the illegality of that.

Sometimes it's not illegal though . . . 

Guess you missed those posts.  

Chad Millerwrote:

Sometimes it's not illegal though . . . 

Guess you missed those posts.  

Nope, didn't miss them, but the 101st Fighting Keyboardists who keep insisting to just "kill the drone" or "shoot it down" aren't paying attention to the few instances where it might be legal.

Marc801 Cwrote:

Nope, didn't miss them, but the 101st Fighting Keyboardists who keep insisting to just "kill the drone" or "shoot it down" aren't paying attention to the few instances where it might be legal.

True.  Honestly though those trolls aren't ever going to do anything, ever.  Also the instances where (and how) you can legally destroy a drone are rather easy to understand.  

Kephas Petroswrote:

Tossing my two cents out there...

That being said, have you met today's youth? A lot of these kids are going to bring them out whether we like it or not. Even if something is illegal they will still do it for the video. 

Only today's youth? I'd say yesterday's youth did plenty of illegal behaviors,  whether we liked it or not. 

x15x15wrote:

Only today's youth? I'd say yesterday's youth did plenty of illegal behaviors,  whether we liked it or not. 

Oh I’m not debating that. I’ll admit I did plenty in the day to see what I could get away with. I think every generation pushes the needle a little more.

I more just meant now a days it seems like kids only interest is to video things for views or show it off, rather than be in the moment and enjoy the view. 

Ban crag drones thread?

Ban trolls that don't climb thread?

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