Summit register removal

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Baltimore McAllisterwrote:

Oh wow, you got me! Lol

Anyhoo…Fantastic idea, Franky, my boy! Unfortunately I am going to be busy with reclamation of the summits, I was thinking you might spearhead that cause since you are the one with the vision…you covert little tree hugger! So stinkin’ cute! …You with a dirty signpost sticking out of your bright little cuben fiber pack…sigh. Right in the feels, Franky. Right in the feels. I feel a kindred spirit between us… Jesus help me.

You really took time out of your day to post this? 

Baltimore McAllisterwrote:

Nice, Fritz, can’t wait to get that trash out of there! That awesome Wiggins fa is documented already, no need for the garbage. Put it in a museum then, let everyone enjoy the historical significance and know it is safe from people that value pristine alpine and desert environments over hubris. I wonder what the indigenous members of North America would want? Specifically the Bears Ears Inter Tribal Coalition in this case….hmmm.

I’m simply advocating for wilderness principles (and an act of an elected Congress). The responses here are excruciatingly predictable and I find it somewhat remarkable what people will view as acceptable when feelings get involved or it serves their emotional needs. There’s really not much room for discussion here according to the USDA. All I’m hearing from some of you is that you’re ok with littering in the wilderness… as long at it has meaning to you personally or you get to spray your name at everyone. Me, me, me. “ I was glad to see” “I enjoy” “entertaining “ “I personally love”…Exactly my point. Save your ammo cans for the range and leave the schedule 40 pvc pipe attached to your sink. Self serving egomaniacs are everywhere in the mountains that’s for sure! Since some of you obviously don’t care about littering in the wilderness for ethical reasons maybe you’ll at least respect the law? Too much to ask?

Under 18 U.S.C. §1865(a), any person that violates any NPS regulation can be subject to up to six-months in jail, fines, or both.[4] Additionally, under 36 C.F.R. §2.14(a)(1), disposing of trash in anything other than a trash can is prohibited on NPS sites.

Not just NP’s, kids!!! Go to section 261.11 

https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fsbdev3_054750.pdf

In other words, leave your ego at home and if you see trash on the summit, pick it up. Educate people when you can. Act as a steward of the land instead of who they have to clean up after…. 

I’m super motivated! Anybody else want to help?

The Super Zero the world doesn't need!

To put it simply summit registers are far from selfish, I actually see them as quite the opposite, they build community and connection. You removing them is an insult to the many people who did find it special.
You sure as hell don't see people defending leaving actual trash on the ground... you're arguing that something is what it isn't.
Go climb or something and leave your veiled attempt at being a land steward at home.

FrankPSwrote:

With a name like Baltimore, you undoubtedly have much mountain experience. The mountains of Maryland await your cleanup.

While you're at it, remove all those pesky trail signs that are just trash.

Hey hey hey Frank… Yous shouldn’ pick un balmar 

Some of us get out before we run into a squeegee kid.

In 1978 on our first attempt to traverse the Palisades in the Sierra Nevada ,John Fischer & I found a summit record in a modern film can of the first ascent of Bivouac Peak in 1930 signed by Glen Dawson & Jules Eichorn . It had  also been signed by Don Jenson in the 1960s. It was still there in 1979 when we completed  the traverse . It was the only first ascent record I ever saw in place in 50+ years of climbing. 

I thought this was lame 

when I saw it the first time. Op is clearly trolling imo but some pretty good point’s honestlyFor every actual historic register out there today there are I’m guessing hundreds or maybe even thousands? of bs registers out there especially on hiking summits. I’ve encountered so many pointless ones but never really considered taking one though because I don’t want to weigh my pack down!!! :) Yhere have actually been a few times where I wasn’t really sure why I was leaving it though just filled with unreadable crumpled papers or from just the last few years? On the fence on this one. I definitely don’t see why any new registers would be placed/replaced though. Just my opinion don’t kill me.

I’ve never signed a summit register, but their existence has never bothered me.
I used to get bothered by other types of installations on summits, though, when climbing overseas. Mostly by the tradition of summit crosses in catholic countries in South America and Europe, some of which are several times taller than a climber and need to be supported by cables and rockpiles. And to a lesser degree by jungles of Buddhist prayer flags on Himalayan peaks, or even worse by wannabe Buddhists on their continents. Neither religion is indigenous, they are both fairly recent customs in their respective regions.

Also, weather stations, memorial plaques, Heli-pads, sometimes even huts, hotels, parking lots, and train stations.

Registers are nothing I need, or even want, but I can definitely allow myself to ignore their existence, as they honestly harm nothing…

guy who complains about summit registers but then doesnt carry wag bags and shits under rocks. LNT amirite

This is from that link you put up.  Removing the registers would seem to be specifically prohibited.  And that is in the NFS which has a multi-use mandate and far less restrictive than the NPS.

(h) Removing any prehistoric, historic, or archaeological resource,
structure, site, artifact, property.

In the NPS domain, there seems to be an active desire on the part of the NPS to monitor the summit registers as a part of their use tracking:  a simple google search showed me NPS links at multiple national parks where you can access summit register data that is collected in collaboration with local hiking clubs and is entered into the NP archives.

Really, the reasoning that is expressed in the OP is so poor and farcical that I suspect a Burchey alias (or perhaps a Burchey wannabe since it's not as entertaining as he can be).

phylp phylpwrote:Really, the reasoning that is expressed in the OP is so poor and farcical that I suspect a Burchey alias (or perhaps a Burchey wannabe since it's not as entertaining as he can be).

He created his account and dumb name 7 weeks ago. I know there's not a trolls handbook with rules and all, but brand new accounts totally weaken the brand. 

The 8th edition of Mountaineering the freedom of the hills clearly states the golden standard. See the highlighted section of the pic. 

Bridget Tyewrote:

The 8th edition of Mountaineering the freedom of the hills clearly states the golden standard. See the highlighted section of the pic.

They also tell you how to leave webbing / cord to retreat back from the mountains.... And pound pitons...
It says mountains are not there for our amusement, which I think we very much use them for. The golden standard is a bit tarnished if were to take it quite literally. 

People are resistant to change, as evidenced by most of the people responding. That there are those right here on these pages that will argue for leaving trash on a summit for ego and then go on to say they care about the wilderness experience is laughable. Ask yourselves what mental gymnastics you are performing in your head in order to justify seeing and then leaving garbage on the summit of a wilderness peak. Be honest with yourself in your answer. Are you capable of that? Are you capable of change? Some people just can’t seem to climb without seeking attention for their personal accomplishments from people they don’t and never will know. If you’ve just completed a historic ascent don’t worry, we’ll all hear about it and you’ll get your accolades. There is absolutely no need to leave anything up there. A question for all you supporters of mountaintop littering: Are there ANY places in nature you wouldn’t leave something behind that was made in a factory? I mean, If you don’t hold a mountain summit as sacred then I can’t see what you possibly would. 

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has" - Margaret Mead

John Sigmonwrote:

guy who complains about summit registers but then doesnt carry wag bags and shits under rocks. LNT amirite

I thought summit registers were wag bags

Even if you hate summit registers, or think they’re silly on hike-ups, they’re a sacrificial anode of sorts for all the people who just have to leave their mark.

I would rather see one ammo can than a half dozen non-navigational cairns, or sharpied rocks, or flags or crosses or whatever.

I enjoy summit registers.   

Baltimore McAllisterwrote:

People are resistant to change, as evidenced by most of the people responding. 

People are also resistant to ideas they disagree with or what they view as bad ideas.

Hank Caylorwrote:

He created his account and dumb name 7 weeks ago. I know there's not a trolls handbook with rules and all, but brand new accounts totally weaken the brand. 

Welcome to Mr. McAllister!   He’ll slide right in.  We’ve had an open position on MP for “overwound crackpot troll” for quite a while now.

Sure, to the casual outsider, it seems like we already have a couple hundred people filling that role, but it’s all relative.    I’m hoping this thread is just a warm up though, and can be chalked up to beginner jitters.

Baltimore McAllisterwrote:

Summit registers are nothing more than ego soothing trash on the mountain.

Removal of summit registers is nothing more than ego soothing.

Again, this was a nice trolling.