New and Experienced climbers over 50 #22

heal well and fast Lori.

Lori Milaswrote:

Well, I feel like I am being a pussy... but am waving the white flag and hoping my doctor will admit me to the hospital today.  I'm just not getting well, they haven't found the right anti-protozoal drug yet, and I'm wasted.  Tony folded his arms this morning and said "You need to be in the hospital, in bed, on an IV for days."  I don't know if they do that anymore.  But we're on our way to find out.  

I'll keep you posted.  

Lori, in his excellent book “If Your Body Could Talk” MD James Hamblin writes about how profit oriented healthcare uses costly IVs instead of oral rehydration, the latter of which accomplishes the same thing for a tiny fraction of the cost. Even many highly trained medical practitioners aren’t aware of oral rehydration, which Hamblin calls “one of the most important medical advances of the modern era, in that it has saved unknown thousands of lives during cholera outbreaks.”

So yes, they still do that, but you can accomplish the same thing as an IV can by going to your local pharmacy. I hope you get better soon!

phylp phylpwrote:

Carl, it means being weak and/or being frightened here too. But the original use of the word pussy to describe a cat, was then extended to describe women who were sweet and affectionate like a cat. Then it started, hundreds years ago, to be used as slang for a woman’s vagina or vulva (I believe Australians use “fanny” in a similar way, which has a different meaning in the US.  Here fanny is slang for derriere. )

Some  women have reclaimed the word but it still is loaded culturally.  No parent would teach their child to describe a body part that way  

In the US, in the 40s, “ you are a pussy” started to be used by men to describe other men who were weak or cowardly. In other words, have characteristics associated with women, “the weaker sex”.  So when you say, you’re a pussy, you are saying, you are a weak little girl.  

I have gathered from your posts that you do not think of women in that way at all. Have a good day, hope you are feeling better. 

Women have taught me how to climb properly. 

Terry Ewrote:

Lori, in his excellent book “If Your Body Could Talk” MD James Hamblin writes about how profit oriented healthcare uses costly IVs instead of oral rehydration, the latter of which accomplishes the same thing for a tiny fraction of the cost. Even many highly trained medical practitioners aren’t aware of oral rehydration, which Hamblin calls “one of the most important medical advances of the modern era, in that it has saved unknown thousands of lives during cholera outbreaks.”

So yes, they still do that, but you can accomplish the same thing as an IV can by going to your local pharmacy. I hope you get better soon!

Terry, you always come up with the goods. Other than Pedialyte is there a product name? Maybe I need to get that book.

Really tough day. I saw my doctor, I had my suitcase packed, he’s said you are welcome to go to the ER but I can’t admit you. He apologized that he’s still at the beginning of his testing and he’s not convinced that he has identified what’s going on with me. Stool tests for ova and parasites take about 10 days or so, so he’s still waiting on that and in the meantime he’s wondering about some thing called SIBO—a gnarly infection in the small intestine … In other words he doesn’t know. So I’m leaving my suitcase packed and I’m ready to head back to the ER but I would sure rather do that when the doctor has some clue.

Meanwhile I have been taking iron by the fist full, not sure if it’s helped at all but after reviewing my labs the doctor was in full agreement – – don’t draw any more blood!

Thank you so much for your support and encouragement. It means so much!

Carl Schneiderwrote:

Women have taught me how to climb properly. 

Absolutely.  Climb like a Girl!

Not a Pussy :) 

Same here Carl.

Lori bummer- the docs couldn’t help my wife till she was in hospital. Then the doctors got serious after her main doctor wanted her to go home- because they wanted do do a test- that they do as an “outpatient procedure” … I got to hospital when they were trying to get her outta there… I went and found that fucker and he said “Lakeside” only ok’s that as “out patent”. I told him “you are her doctor, is she well enuf to go home? If she dies It’s on you- dude - and I will sue and hound you forever…because you have the power to over ride Lakeside and you are to scared to stand up to them” … 30 minutes later they put her back in a bed - she was totally out of it and scared. Next morning they did some sort of sample taking by sticking some tool into her liver and other parts! From these samples they were able to grow samples of “the infection” - figure out what kills it and start it via IV drip. She was able to go home 10 days later with a “pic line” and I gave her syringes of that stuff 3x day- visited by a nurse 2x week.
Lori- I hope “they” figure it out. Keep Tony around - he is your biggest advocate.

Carl…. No problem using the word “pussy”. I know what you mean. With all the “Karen’s” and PC BS the meaning and standard usage of our good old English language is under attack now.

When 8%inflation is called “a good adjustment” by some you know we have gone over the Cliff- so to speak.

One thing I know is this- a pussy takes a pounding and comes back for more. :)

Oh one more thing. Over the years I’ve noticed that parents who take young kids climbing sometimes turn them off to the whole thing later in life. Just saying. As soon as he could Kris Linder dropped it ….. Ron Kalk didn’t take Lonnie out- Lonnie took up the sport on his own later in life. Again Jess saying.

Later 

it’s good to hear most of you understand my use of THAT word. 

Most of us grew up in misogynistic times, racist and homophobic times. 

I try not to stoop back to that level.

I wrote a little poem last night to my female climbing friend who is moving back home to Europe and it was most definitely not disrespectful.

I’m sick of being sick and lying in bed watching Netflix and YouTube.

Got sucked in to videos of how America will fight a nuclear war so now I’m THOROUGHLY depressed.

DID manage ten chin-ups and some kettlebell rows though.  

Guy Keeseewrote:

Lori bummer- the docs couldn’t help my wife till she was in hospital. Then the doctors got serious after her main doctor wanted her to go home- because they wanted do do a test- that they do as an “outpatient procedure” … I got to hospital when they were trying to get her outta there… I went and found that fucker and he said “Lakeside” only ok’s that as “out patent”. I told him “you are her doctor, is she well enuf to go home? If she dies It’s on you- dude - and I will sue and hound you forever…because you have the power to over ride Lakeside and you are to scared to stand up to them” … 30 minutes later they put her back in a bed - she was totally out of it and scared. Next morning they did some sort of sample taking by sticking some tool into her liver and other parts! From these samples they were able to grow samples of “the infection” - figure out what kills it and start it via IV drip. She was able to go home 10 days later with a “pic line” and I gave her syringes of that stuff 3x day- visited by a nurse 2x week.
Lori- I hope “they” figure it out. Keep Tony around - he is your biggest advocate.

Later 

Thank you Guy. I feel really guilty taking up room on this thread for non-Climbing related health issues. I just showed your post to Tony… I’ve been feeling bad about that too because he just had major surgery a couple months ago. I know this is hard on him and I feel like I should be taking care of him.  But maybe you just empowered him to step in and take control. 

I am sort of playing this minute by minute. I’ve been doing a lot of praying over the last few months and just waiting for a clear sign. I’ve been reading up on gut health and how I could have become vulnerable to this and how I can rebuild so it doesn’t happen again. I have a functional medicine doctor who  is very familiar with both the drugs and herbs  etc. but right now it’s almost like I have to pick a lane and trust someone to figure this out and help me get back to health.  There is so much distrust of Western doctors and gastroenterologists in particular, this doctor doesn’t inspire Faith. I know he wants to help but he’s pretty bewildered. Still he is who I’ve got and I know he has access to others.

Guy Keeseewrote:

Lori bummer- the docs couldn’t help my wife till she was in hospital. Then the doctors got serious after her main doctor wanted her to go home- because they wanted do do a test- that they do as an “outpatient procedure” … I got to hospital when they were trying to get her outta there… I went and found that fucker and he said “Lakeside” only ok’s that as “out patent”. I told him “you are her doctor, is she well enuf to go home? If she dies It’s on you- dude - and I will sue and hound you forever…because you have the power to over ride Lakeside and you are to scared to stand up to them” … 30 minutes later they put her back in a bed - she was totally out of it and scared. Next morning they did some sort of sample taking by sticking some tool into her liver and other parts! From these samples they were able to grow samples of “the infection” - figure out what kills it and start it via IV drip. She was able to go home 10 days later with a “pic line” and I gave her syringes of that stuff 3x day- visited by a nurse 2x week.
Lori- I hope “they” figure it out. Keep Tony around - he is your biggest advocate

Been through that whole hospital and home care routine with Bruce's infections -- first time in 2013 after a bad fall at the gym and again in 2021 when he collapsed with sepsis. Identifying the type of infection and figuring out how to treat it is key. Unfortunately, this last infection got into (or started in) his bones, which becomes a whole other problem.  

I also had a misdiagnosis and delay nearly kill me in my mid 30s. Doctor misdiagnosed my fever and illness as "Prostate infection" and "possible tropical parasites" when, in fact, my appendix had ruptured. That doc sent me home with Cipro and said it would clear me right up. 2 days later my fever spiked to 105. Luckily the hospital put me in a CT scan and saw that not only had my appendix ruptured, but it had done it long enough ago that it had healed back up and scarred over. Unfortunately, I was totally septic in my abdominal cavity. That was a gnarly couple weeks in the ICU to get through it. 

Lori- I’ll have you in my prayers, Bruce also.

And Lori don’t worry about talking about not climbing stuff. Discussing how hard you crank gets really boring- fast.

Been cruzing around the Meditation last few days- Barcelona, so far is my favorite city.
Ya can get a huge T-bone steak with all the fixings and a bottle o wine for not much more than a Combo #1 Large at Carl’s JR. 

 Docked at Toulon they have some pretty good looking Crags just outside of town. I decided not to bring any climbing stuff- this trip was planned by my late father to celebrate his 90th, but COVID happened and it was postponed twice. My Father passed last July but one of his last wishes was - “you guys go, have a great time” 

Love ya Dad.

Guy Keeseewrote:

Well you know why they call it “Practicing Medicine”?

Lori- I’ll have you in my prayers, Bruce also.

And Lori don’t worry about talking about not climbing stuff. Discussing how hard you crank gets really boring- fast.

Been cruzing around the Meditation last few days- Barcelona, so far is my favorite city.
Ya can get a huge T-bone steak with all the fixings and a bottle o wine for not much more than a Combo #1 Large at Carl’s JR. 

 Docked at Toulon they have some pretty good looking Crags just outside of town. I decided not to bring any climbing stuff- this trip was planned by my late father to celebrate his 90th, but COVID happened and it was postponed twice. My Father passed last July but one of his last wishes was - “you guys go, have a great time” 

Love ya Dad.

That looks wonderful, Guy. I love the Med. Also love the typo of Meditation for Mediterranean. That's an apt and appropriate substitution. Have a great trip. And RIP dad!

I’ve been to Barcelona twice.   I’m not a fan of cities, but that one is pretty fun.  I went for workshops and did not get to go climbing, but there is great limestone sport climbing not far away. 

Ward Smithwrote:

I’ve been to Barcelona twice.   I’m not a fan of cities, but that one is pretty fun.  I went for workshops and did not get to go climbing, but there is great limestone sport climbing not far away. 

Yep, Barcelona is awesome.  And the sport climbing is definitely fun, and a bit adventurous.  First day I spent there we never even found the crag we were looking for!

GO

Guy Keeseewrote:

Oh one more thing. Over the years I’ve noticed that parents who take young kids climbing sometimes turn them off to the whole thing later in life. Just saying. As soon as he could Kris Linder dropped it ….. Ron Kalk didn’t take Lonnie out- Lonnie took up the sport on his own later in life. Again Jess saying.

Later 

Yeah, I really don't know which way this one goes.  I'm certainly curious about other people's opinions, since a lot of y'all already went through the kid thing, and maybe have personal insight to share.  I went biking with my parents a ton when I was a kid, and sometimes put up a bit of a fight about it.  I now love being on my bike.  I learned my love for the outdoors and getting up into the alpine with them too.  Other things we did I either don't have the aptitude for, or am not interested in.

I didn't discover climbing until I was 28.  I'm sure I'm not as capable a climber as I would have been had I started earlier, but on the other hand if when I was a kid I'd been doing the whole comp thing and all that stuff kids do today, I might be totally burnt out by now.

GO

GabeOwrote:

Yeah, I really don't know which way this one goes.  I'm certainly curious about other people's opinions, since a lot of y'all already went through the kid thing, and maybe have personal insight to share.  I went biking with my parents a ton when I was a kid, and sometimes put up a bit of a fight about it.  I now love being on my bike.  I learned my love for the outdoors and getting up into the alpine with them too.  Other things we did I either don't have the aptitude for, or am not interested in.

I didn't discover climbing until I was 28.  I'm sure I'm not as capable a climber as I would have been had I started earlier, but on the other hand if when I was a kid I'd been doing the whole comp thing and all that stuff kids do today, I might be totally burnt out by now.

GO

I have a pretty strong opinion about it re. climbing. I see people putting harnesses on LITTLE kids all the time and, essentially, telling them how they're supposed to play on rocks. Teaching a toddler or pre-schooler that there's a right and a wrong way to play on rocks seems very counterproductive to me.

I camped a lot with my kids when they were little and always encouraged them to explore at their own pace and in their own way. They both now love the outdoors. They surf, camp, climb, hike, etc. on their own. But I suspect if I'd been a "Little League Dad" about either surfing or climbing it would have taken the joy out of a lot of it for them. I've seen that happen with other kids.

My son, then 16, on top of Mt. Whitney. 

Guy Keeseewrote:

Been cruzing around the Meditation last few days- Barcelona, so far is my favorite city.
Ya can get a huge T-bone steak with all the fixings and a bottle o wine for not much more than a Combo #1 Large at Carl’s JR. 

 Docked at Toulon they have some pretty good looking Crags just outside of town. I decided not to bring any climbing stuff- this trip was planned by my late father to celebrate his 90th, but COVID happened and it was postponed twice. My Father passed last July but one of his last wishes was - “you guys go, have a great time” 

Love ya Dad.

We've been enjoying Sardinia, some sailing, lots of cycling and plan on hitting the crags later. Amazing place.

Very cool Randy- I waved last night as we sailed right on by headed south. Enjoy