Risk management in areas with both single and multi-pitch climbing

Tradiban wrote:

Climbing is unregulated 

That is true, and irrelevant to a discussion on risk management. Consensus is not regulation. Discussion is not enforcement.

aikibujin wrote:

That is true, and irrelevant to a discussion on risk management. Consensus is not regulation. Discussion is not enforcement.

There won't be any consensus because the danger is not explicit. One man's choss is another man's treasure.

Raising awareness is one thing, mob rule entirely another, what do you propose when someone ignores your "rules"?

Tradiban wrote:

There won't be any consensus because the danger is not explicit. One man's choss is another man's treasure.

Raising awareness is one thing, mob rule entirely another, what do you propose when someone ignores your "rules"?

Luckily consensus is not control by one person. If there's no consensus then there's no consensus. I started the thread, but I simply moved the discussion over from another thread where people are still processing an accident. Besides sharing my perspective at the beginning and pointing out obviously flawed arguments, I'm not doing anything else. This is the thread for people to discuss, argue, and troll if they want. There is no "my plan", or "my rules". Plenty of good points have already came out of the discussion for others to read.

aikibujin wrote:

Luckily consensus is not control by one person. If there's no consensus then there's no consensus. I started the thread, but I simply moved the discussion over from another thread where people are still processing an accident. Besides sharing my perspective at the beginning and pointing out obviously flawed arguments, I'm not doing anything else. This is the thread for people to discuss, argue, and troll if they want. There is no "my plan", or "my rules". Plenty of good points have already came out of the discussion for others to read.

What are the “good points”? Don’t climber under people climbing chossy routes? Or maybe it’s “Be careful of loose rock”? Or perhaps it’s “Multi-pitch gets priority”? The first two are common sense, the third is an opinion, so sum it up, what’s the change you’re looking for here exactly?

Tradiban wrote:

what’s the change you’re looking for here exactly?

I was looking for a discussion and the typical MP back-and-forth, and that's exactly what we have here.

aikibujin wrote:

I was looking for a discussion and the typical MP back-and-forth, and that's exactly what we have here.

Good, I will sponsor you this bump.

I think what you really want to do is get the word out about loose rock? "Priority" is never going to happen for reasons I have discussed above, so I suggest shouting about loose rocks wherever you go, online, the crag, the gym, YOU are going to be the "LOOSE ROCK!" guy. The guy whos mission is that no one ever pull off or get hit by loose rock ever again. Who knows, it could be the start of a "movement".

https://www.mountainproject.com/route/114807519/the-arrival-removed-july-21-2022

Max Tepfer wrote:

I don't think anyone should get any sort of right-of-way.  Climbers need to understand the risks they take on any given day and make appropriate choices when they climb.  

Climbing is inherently dangerous. For this scenario, the "risk management" is addressed by the climber.