Got my .5 c4 stuck on black lung

If anyone climbs black lung and finds a .5 stuck up there it’s mine. We were up there the other night and my partner was struggling to get it out. If anyone gets it out and sees this please let me know. 

Correction.  It used to be yours.  If you want it to continue to be yours  go up and get it. 

Nick Goldsmithwrote:

Correction.  It used to be yours.  If you want it to continue to be yours  go up and get it. 

It's probably already on consignment at IME 

Fair enough. I would’ve tried if I could’ve. I’m 15 so it’s up to my parents when I get to climb. Thanks though

This brings up a valid argument whether the laws of booty apply to minors. If I found the cam I might give it back. Or just tell your folks you must go back per unwritten law

Hey Kai Dude,

I don’t know you. But I am a very firm believer in Karma prevailing over the all too common snarky condescending attitudes that seem to dominate Mountain Project. I’d be thrilled to help replace the piece if your’s doesn’t make it’s way to your rack for future adventures. Keep up the stoke young tradman.

Wallace Gneisswrote:

Hey Kai Dude,

I don’t know you. But I am a very firm believer in Karma prevailing over the all too common snarky condescending attitudes that seem to dominate Mountain Project. I’d be thrilled to help replace the piece if your’s doesn’t make it’s way to your rack for future adventures. Keep up the stoke young tradman.

This is awesome. Ill throw down too

That's  pretty  bad assed climbing  Black  lung at  15! Did you  lead it? The  way  it  usually  works is that if you  leave a  piece of gear on a  climb and  go home  having  gave up on retrieving it  that  gear  becomes  fair  game  for  whomever  finds it  unless there was an  accident  involved. ( In the event of an accident all the gear left during the rescue should be sorted out and every attempt made to get it back to the right folks. ) The point  being to  teach us to be  self  sufficient and  make an  honest  effort to retrieve our own  junk. That  being said  don't  ever get yourself  killed over a  piece of gear.  We used to do a lot of stupid  dangerous stuff to avoid  leaving a stopper or to  recover  a free biner.  Not worth it.  It's  just  gear.  Do the  best you can without doing anything  dangerous and  hopefully  next time you find the  booty instead of  donating  it .

Jon. i would totally give it back but we also have to install the spirit of self-sufficiency in the youth.  kai, one of the things you could have done is  the following.    You led the pitch,your partner followed and then confessed that they couldn't clean the cam.  You should have been belaying them at a bomber anchor  so just stay calm, be methodical. Re stack the ropes and get everything organized so that your partner can lower you  down the pitch. You retrieve your stuck cam and your partner gives you a top rope belay while you climb back up to the belay . you get to keep all your gear while practicing a good changeover maneuver and you get to top rope the pitch again.  Everyone wins. .  Have fun on your journey. Hope you get your cam back or that the booty gods are favorable to you and your next climb yields some shiny free gear :) . 

Kai, you did the right thing in this situation seemingly to the best of your knowledge. Ignore people like Nick. Granted booty usually gets taken pretty quick but any decent human being seeing your post would return it to you. 

I’m in in getting Kai a new piece if it’s stuck or gone. Let me know I’ll pitch on some $$

Jed  what is so wrong about my advice on how to retrieve your own stuck gear? 

Yes, I did lead the climb. First time leading it as well. I wish I could have flipped the ropes and gone down to get it myself, but it was 10:30 at night.  I was willing to, but my partners are not quite as stubborn as I. If nobody is able to find it, hopefully my partners cough up the money for a new one because I was pretty pissed off. I appreciate the support. Next time I’ll choose a better partner haha

Kai, it’s best not to get bitter about this stuff. It definitely hurts when you loose gear but climbing is a partnership and it’s often the case that it’s just as much the leaders fault when a piece of gear gets stuck as it is the followers. If you learn from this experience and keep climbing you’ll end up finding more booty than you loose. 

All the stuck cams I ever bootied I got out by squirting water, or just spitting on the cam lobes. I rarely meet people that know this trick.

Thomas Strykerwrote:

All the stuck cams I ever bootied I got out by squirting water, or just spitting on the cam lobes. I rarely meet people that know this trick.

Shit dude, don't tell them!!!

Booty laws are inviolable. But I'll sell you a 2019 C4 to replace it for $40. You and your partner should split the cost.

Dude.  That's  bad assed  getting the  rope to the  top at  10:30 pm. Did you have  headlamps?  Don't  sweat the  lost  cam. It is just  gear not a  friendship. 

Nick there’s nothing wrong with advice to help others, it is the statement  “install the spirit of self sufficiency” and how you go on. 

your comment comes off as condescending.

when some one is humble enough to ask for help, we as a community should be supportive.

You sound like you like to be offended..

Nick Goldsmithwrote:

You sound like you like to be offended..

Kind of jerky, Nick

Your advice above was legit, and the loser could have been a little more humble in asking for it back. The booty rule can blend into  just being an excuse to steal though, especially when the internet now makes it easier to identify the owner and get it back.

My first post was snarky because of how the Op was worded. I then gave honest well intentioned advice to a young stoked climber and some internet ass hat busted my chops about it so I busted back. its all pretty civil compared to the good old days on RC.noob.