In or out

I feel like this debate is as old as time itself. I feel like there are a lot of advantages of out, that are overlooked. First, out leaves you with more options for comfort. Second, out is a lot faster to transition between comfort levels, if you are too hot you can just take those pants off. Third, you don’t have to commit to an all pants day or all shorts day. What do you guys think pants over harness or in the harness?

Picture of me with pants out:

I always wear pants over the harness otherwise I would provide a picture of pants in the harness. Here is a picture of Sasha wearing pants in the harness:

convertible-hiking-pants

Could easily have a durable pair of climbing jeans that could be Worn Over the harness with these JNCOs. Plus, look at those pockets. You'll stand out at the crag, have plenty of leg room for kneebars, high heelhooks and just have a certain pizzazz that the colorful euro clothed wannabes are all trying for. 

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

I feel like this debate is as old as time itself. I feel like there are a lot of advantages of out, that are overlooked. First, out leaves you with more options for comfort. Second, out is a lot faster to transition between comfort levels, if you are too hot you can just take those pants off. Third, you don’t have to commit to an all pants day or all shorts day. 

Sounds like you are the sole individual that mammut made those harness shorts for

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

I feel like this debate is as old as time itself. ….What do you guys think pants over harness or in the harness?

Old debate? In almost 50 years of climbing this is the first time I’ve ever heard of this desperate plea for attention…..I mean “debate”.

I always wear pants over the harness…

Why am I not surprised. 

Is there a hidden message here?  Lol. 

Marc801 C wrote:

Old debate? In almost 50 years of climbing this is the first time I’ve ever heard of this desperate plea for attention…..I mean “debate”.

Marc what do you do when the belay area is 30 degrees colder than the climb? Do you take your harness off and put pants back on? What do you do if it’s hot out but your afraid of burning your legs do you just wear pants the whole time? How do you manage your sweat?

Frank, I think a healthy society should support questions. So I think marcs question is fair and age appropriate.

Pete S wrote:

Is there a hidden message here?  Lol.

Naw my friends strongly disagreed with my approach. I think the confusing thing is people often mix up pants in/out with gates in/out debate.

Dylan McIntosh wrote:

Sounds like you are the sole individual that mammut made those harness shorts for

Do the pants have removable legs? Then maybe? My issue is I swear so much that the pants would smell bad if i didn’t regularly wash them. 

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

Marc what do you do when the belay area is 30 degrees colder than the climb? Do you take your harness off and put pants back on? What do you do if it’s hot out but your afraid of burning your legs do you just wear pants the whole time? How do you manage your sweat?

These are questions that adults can figure out on their own.

You can do better PP Lover, this is bad even for your standards. 

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

I feel like this debate is as old as time itself.

It’s not

 I feel like there are a lot of advantages of out, that are overlooked.

There aren’t

 First, out leaves you with more options for comfort.

Subjective

Picture of me with pants out:

Somehow I feel as if this photo was actually. I can’t believe I am saying that. 

I always wear pants over the harness otherwise I would provide a picture of pants in the harness. 

Shocker 

Here is a picture of Sasha wearing pants in the harness:

Thank goodness you provided a photo, otherwise I would have had no idea what someone wearing pants while climbing in a harness looks like.

Rainy in the PNW Trev or just having some boring rest days?

Did none of you wear warm ups before team sports? Think about it like wearing warm ups and then you shed them before race time. I believe Sean Baily in grand illusion did this strategy of wearing 4 coats and then during send time taking off the extra layers. 

OP, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read on MP (congrats). At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

In all seriousness, just wear pants under your harness. If it will be too cold at the belay then wear a base layer or leg warmers (which you can easily take off) and just be a little warm when you are climbing. If it is going to be too hot wear shorts. If you want flexibility then wear zip off pants. 

J T wrote:

Yes, but we didn’t have to have a gri-gri or rope awkwardly sticking out. 

I don't think it is awkward at all. If anything the pants help the orientation of the gri-gri. If I had a zipper you could wear the pants like normal nad have the device out the zipper.

Wearing multiple jackets/upper body layers is not the same because you don’t have the whole access to belay loop/tie in point situation going on. 

All you have to due is pull your pants down an inch. Trad princess manages.

Brett Harris wrote:

OP, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read on MP (congrats). At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

I can refer you to dumber stuff, you are able to at least respond to this thread.

In all seriousness, just wear pants under your harness. If it will be too cold at the belay then wear a base layer or leg warmers (which you can easily take off) and just be a little warm when you are climbing. If it is going to be too hot wear shorts. If you want flexibility then wear zip off pants.

I think about my trip to Banff. During the belay/on the ground you would just get blasted by cold glacier air then as soon as you were off the ground you would get cooked by the sun, so it made sense to be able to transition quickly between the two (pants/shorts). I don't understand why you can't alternate between shorts climbing and pants while belaying all day. I think zip and snap systems are too slow/annoying to work with. 

Also I have no idea how anyone can use a knee bar pad over pants so it also makes sense to have shorts on even if it is too cold just so you can get an optimal knee bar. Also zippers are not comfortable under a knee bar pad. 

Maybe I am just thinking about this too much like an athletic endeavor but my high school coaches would have yelled at me if I had woren the same outfit for warm ups, stretching and performance. 

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

I feel like this debate is as old as time itself. I feel like there are a lot of advantages of out, that are overlooked. First, out leaves you with more options for comfort. Second, out is a lot faster to transition between comfort levels, if you are too hot you can just take those pants off. Third, you don’t have to commit to an all pants day or all shorts day. What do you guys think pants over harness or in the harness?

Picture of me with pants out:

I always wear pants over the harness otherwise I would provide a picture of pants in the harness. Here is a picture of Sasha wearing pants in the harness:

I think you just need a better "pants" layer:

https://www.tiktok.com/@tradprincess/video/7052140708060253486?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1

y'all're lucky tiktok doesn't embed properly

Clearly pants over harness.  Lets you use the pants pockets/belt loops for gear.  I buy special pants with a zipper/hole in front that I pull the belay loop through.  LOL "harness over pants" can u even imagine.

If you get some carhart overalls, they have a fly that you can pull your belay loop out or access your tie in points through

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

I don't think it is awkward at all.

Again, entirely subjective.

If anything the pants help the orientation of the gri-gri.

You’re moving backwards with this argument if you can’t figure out how to orientate a gri-gri without wearing pants over your harness 

If I had a zipper you could wear the pants like normal nad have the device out the zipper.

Yeah, but you don’t, so you just look like a dufus…..with pants on over your harness 

All you have to due is pull your pants down an inch. Trad princess manages.

What does that have to do with wearing 4 jackets…?  

I can refer you to dumber stuff, you are able to at least respond to this thread.

In my experience you can respond to nearly anything on MP. Case and point. 

I think about my trip to Banff. During the belay/on the ground you would just get blasted by cold glacier air then as soon as you were off the ground you would get cooked by the sun, so it made sense to be able to transition quickly between the two (pants/shorts). I don't understand why you can't alternate between shorts climbing and pants while belaying all day. I think zip and snap systems are too slow/annoying to work with.

So zip-off pants are too annoying but wearing pants over a harness is not? Makes sense. Have you thought about down skirts? What about tying a fleece blanket around your waist…all seem like significantly better ideas than the pants over harness “solution”

 Also I have no idea how anyone can use a knee bar pad over pants so it also makes sense to have shorts on even if it is too cold just so you can get an optimal knee bar. 

Duct tape. Go to Rifle 

Not Not MP Admin wrote:

Yeah, but you don’t, so you just look like a dufus

I thought we were supposed to make climbing lame. Regardless why do I care what I look like? Also at somepoint it will be back in fashion. 

What does that have to do with wearing 4 jackets…?  

Well there is the tik toc of trad princess linked. I think pretty regularly she implements the two pants system. I believe she posted Dec 22nd using a system similar to what I am suggesting. 

So zip-off pants are too annoying but wearing pants over a harness is not? Makes sense. 

Maybe your just smarter than me, but sometimes those zip off pants are hard to zip back on. 

Have you thought about down skirts? What about tying a fleece blanket around your waist…all seem like significantly better ideas than the pants over harness “solution”

Don't disagree, just depends on the drafty-ness. I think a sleeping bag belay is also acceptable. 

Duct tape. Go to Rifle 

But then you got to either pre duct tape or bring duct tape with you!

Brett Harris wrote:

OP, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read on MP (congrats). At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

In all seriousness, just wear pants under your harness. If it will be too cold at the belay then wear a base layer or leg warmers (which you can easily take off) and just be a little warm when you are climbing. If it is going to be too hot wear shorts. If you want flexibility then wear zip off pants. 

The bright side?

At least he's wearing pants. 

Princess Puppy Lovr wrote:

Do the pants have removable legs? Then maybe? My issue is I swear so much that the pants would smell bad if i didn’t regularly wash them. 

I think this a really important question you are bringing to the table and hopefully, when this is all over, everyone will be better because of it. Pants are complex. Add a little or a lot of sweat to the mix and you've got yourself a serious case of swamp ass. So, have you considered chaps? Particularly camo chaps. Not only do you have the freedom and flexibility of being assless, you also have unlimited access to your chalk bag and ball nuts. Bonus: no one will know you're wearing them because they're camo and their sole purpose is to blend in with the surroundings, like nature.