Reputable brand?

Anyone every heard of these ropes from these people? Or does anyone have one?

https://www.armbury.com/productprodetail/4.html

This one lists for $94.99 on their eBay site 

There are UIAA and CE certified so they should be good to go? I was just shocked by how cheap they are I guess and to also be UIAA/ CE certified. So I guess it’s not sketchy huh?

Also, what are your thoughts on eldweiss ropes? Specifically the Curve Arc 9.8?

Edelweiss ropes are great. I've used them for years.

There are no prices on the website. There are no "dealer locators."  

A reputable company doesn't need to sell their products on E-bay.

Buyer bewarel

Anyone know why these are so cheap?

Diego B wrote:

Anyone know why these are so cheap?

Because they’re fake or a scam 

https://www.theuiaa.org/safety/safety-standards/certified-equipment/

Armbury has a number of products that are currently UIAA certified, including several dynamic ropes. I agree that this is likely re-branded gear from a Chinese factory that supplies name brands, but it does appear to be properly certified.

I purchased a closeout $100ish Blue Water 9.7 Lightning Pro (at least that's what they said it was) on Ebay a couple years back. Within a summer of fairly moderate use it got 2 core shots, fairly significant sheath abrasion, and became far too stretchy to even be safe as a gym rope. Point being, UIAA and CE standards are not a complete assessment of rope quality.

The real question is if you want your money to support cultural genocide or cutting-edge gear development.

Edelweiss and Beal moved their rope manufacturing to Africa, Madagascar to be specific.  It's a strange day when China is just too expensive for a cost cutting manufacturer of safety equipment.  
There a good chance the ropes for sale here are counterfeit and made in Asia.  Whether they are made to the same standards is a big unknown.  At least the ones made in Africa should have the right engineering and testing done.   A lot goes into making a rope perform properly, and I wouldn't cut any corners.  I wouldn't buy from Amazon or ebay for fear of getting a fake that look right from the outside, but doesn't have the right energy absorbing properties on the inside.  And if you still think Amazon won't sell you a fake, that it's only 3rd parties, know that is no longer the case.   

Piggybacking on Jason's post

Can't speak for the brand's quality, but they did get their UIAA cert. 

56 grams / meter on the 9.4 is pretty light. 

https://armburyusa.com/ - their USA site has prices, if you whip and survive let us know. I'd probably whip away. 

https://sgtknots.com/collections/climbing

SGT knots is their main distributer in the US, they have pulleys, lockers, quickdraws, ascenders and ropes from armbury. 

$50 ascenders

For the USA site in Statesville NC google maps shows a random, unmarked warehouse in a poor neighborhood with no sign of activity at all.

Here are the "carabiners" they offer. 

https://sgtknots.com/collections/climbing/products/armbury-carabiner

Regarding the armbury site, I would steer clear.

Regarding the ebay image still you provided, in this case I believe the rope you're looking at is shipping from the outlet center of liberty mountain, as they do have an online presence on ebay. 

"Liberty mountain is one of the largest wholesale distributors of technical outdoor products and climbing gear in the U.S." -- libertymountain.com/

For your own peace of mind you could call liberty mountain, ask to be transferred to their outlet center, and confirm that the presence on ebay is indeed theirs.

Regarding Edelweiss ropes, I have owned three and am personally not a fan and won't buy more, but know people who do like them. The ebay storefront has some marked down Beals and Maxims, and I had good luck with a Beal Stinger rope. People have told me that the Beal and Edelweiss ropes come out of the same factory in Madagascar, and perhaps that is the case but I still had bad experiences with Edelweiss ropes, three separate times, and that was about 4 years go, maybe things are different now. Also, perhaps the same factory but different weaving patterns and techniques, I don't know, I'm not a rope expert.

Also, in general, I won't buy gear from amazon or ebay (I would buy from mtn outlet if confirming they're legit liberty mountain) because there is too much fake shit floating around. There are many local gear stores, and larger gear stores with online storefronts one can order through and have more confidence in the likelihood of not getting counterfeit shit.

Hope this helps. Have fun.

https://mtnoutlet.com/

This is the website that is selling the bicolored rope and many others for very cheap. 

I would buy from mtnoutlet. Reputable brands. Looks to be Liberty Mountain's outlet store.

If I recall, the Curve got a bad review from someone- maybe on BackcountryGear and might have said sheath wore quickly - so became hard to sell and prices went down. So I bought the ARC version - good deal at $150 for a 70m bicolor rope. Even better deal now. Wife and I have used it for two years now and I'd buy it again.

You can get a rope for 100 if you wait for a sale at REI or use your 20%coupon they sent out recently. The mammut 9.8 goes on sale for $100 and so does the eco boa edelweiss. Or edelrid. Can't remember who makes that rope. There's also a dude here who sells new bluewater ropes cheap. He always says " have too many ropes don't need this one" but they're always new in the package. Maybe he has a pro deal and doesn't want them to know he turns around and sells them online? That's speculation, but I bought one from him, it's my favorite rope and it was $100 for a double dry treated bi pattern skinny rope by a US manufacturer. 

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It’s only your life. $94.99 seems fine.

Take a web tour of reputable places to buy ropes to see if $95 seems in line with those.

Tamiban Gueterstan wrote:

UIAA certs just means a small test batch met specifications which is totally expected considering all of the manufacturing equipment is likely identical. What is worrying is the long term quality control and continuous safety testing. Carabiners might be okay today, but is anyone going to catch the 489th batch? Who is making sure the companies are even selling the same carabiners they sent for testing? Did they make any major changes in material sourcing or manufacturing between testing? This is all stuff that we trust based on brand reputation.

Side note, people think that MBS ratings are made by breaking 100s of carabiners. It's more like 10. Can anyone think of a reason why I couldn't get a UIAA certificate for a company I make today by sending in a bunch of unmarked home depot quicklinks that I laser engraved with markings that I totally guessed at?

You are required to have in place a robust QC and QA system such as ISO 9001 which is independently audited and this is controlled by the Notified Body who issue the certificate (the UIAA is not a certifying body).

Tamiban Gueterstan wrote:

Agree, but this is the old way for low tech goods. The new way is foreign direct investment from China. They didn't just steal the design of IBM's thinkpad, they bought all of Lenovo.

Lenovo is a Chinese company and always has been

Those Edelweiss Arc ropes suck regardless of what price you can get them for.  Had one and it constantly got large frays in the sheath.  Barely ever used it and had to chop the ends and then it got more large frays right after that.  Saw lots other reviews for the rope saying the same things and worse.  There's a reason you can find those so cheap on lots of sites, because they suck.  Don't buy it.

Tamiban Gueterstan wrote:

Have you or anyone you known gone through the process? According to the safety label regulations, all references to external certs, QC/QA, auditing are in the context of simplifying the certification process but are not required to obtain the UIAA label (section 3.7). I.e. some EN type certs can be directly translated into a UIAA without lab testing. I.e. if you can demonstrate a robust QC/QA system UIAA certs are automatically renewed without UIAA-approved lab testing. If not, UIAA lab testing must be repeated annually. QA/QC auditing is not clearly required to obtain a UIAA label. Do you know otherwise from someone who has completed the process?

Yes, I make EN certified climbing equipment.

To get the UIAA Safety Label you first have to get the CE mark which means the QC/QA requirements and pass the relevant EN. Not all climbing equipment is eligable for CE marking and for these the UIAA require EN certification and the QC/QA seperately.