no camping - El Portal Parkline 10pm-6am - $100 fine, new ordinance

James Wwrote:

Who the fuk climbs there in the scorching heat of Jun-Sept anyway? 

Tuolumne Meadows are pretty busy with climbers in those months. There is more to Yosemite than just the valley.

Cory Bwrote:

Tuolumne Meadows are pretty busy with climbers in those months. There is more to Yosemite than just the valley.

That would suck having to make the drive often from El Portal to Tuolumne...

abandon moderation wrote:

I was talking about the ones at the entrance gates for the backcountry camping. Driving around, the only thing you'll see on windshields is license plate number and dates. I haven't been on a wall this year, but last year the slips they were giving for big walls were the same as the entrance, and they were just writing the date you told them you'd be done and your license plate number.

It's a foolproof system.

Normally what you've experienced before a brand new system is in place will not be applicable once the brand new system is in place. 

A good baker's dozen worth of vans and cars camping out in the "no camping" zone this morning. 

Like the Speeding Kills Bears signs, I think most people are just gonna ignore this whole thing.  

It's the thought that counts, right?

Dylan Thomas TXwrote:

A good baker's dozen worth of vans and cars camping out in the "no camping" zone this morning. 

Like the Speeding Kills Bears signs, I think most people are just gonna ignore this whole thing.  

It's the thought that counts, right?

The thought of what? 

Connor Dobsonwrote:

The thought of what? 

Swirled peas 

Judging by the amount of toilet paper strewn about at Hardin Flat, it wouldn’t surprise me if that gets shut down too… 

climbing is canceled 

it was fun while it lasted 

Public Noticewrote:

No fire danger there.... JFC people are entitled as fuck aren't they?

Yikes. Needing a campfire in California is candy-ass behavior 

sweet, maybe those dirtbags could get real jobs and stop being a blight in our society 

just kidding the government can eat my ass

Alrighty guys, I have an idea. We have lookouts posted up that keep an eye out for the poor blokes that are up way too early giving out tickets. As soon as they see the authorities, they morph into beautiful, scarlet Phoenix birds, rise up in the air and let out an all engulfing "CAW!!!" that all of the climbers can hear except for the people spending a small loan of a million dollars on their vans. Neither can the poor ethics people. Then we all scram and dissipate into clouds of joy after seeing the right people get fined. Followed by disappointment since this is a fictional idea and every time I go on Mountain Project, there are new roadblocks to deal with. So it goes 

Jplotzwrote:

If LE can't provide you with alternative resources for camping, then they cant compel you to vacate your camping spot.

The U.S. Supreme Court won't hear a landmark case on homelessness and camping bans, the court announced Monday, leaving in place a lower court's decision that cities can't enforce laws against homeless people sleeping in public places if they have nowhere else to go.

This ruling apples to campers of any kind, even in expensive sprinters, as we were told by county LE when we complained about sprinter Vans who invaded and camped at a local park near our home.   So they refused to enforce the no overnight camping ordinance since there were no alternative resources available at that time. 

I would disagree with that interpretation of the ruling. It does not apply to campers of any kind because they have other places to go. That is they have the means to pay for a motel or a commercial campground. There is fine line between someone living out of their car because they have no choice and someone choosing to live out of their car because they have the mean to do so.

Allen Sandersonwrote:

I would disagree with that interpretation of the ruling. It does not apply to campers of any kind because they have other places to go. That is they have the means to pay for a motel or a commercial campground. There is fine line between someone living out of their car because they have no choice and someone choosing to live out of their car because they have the mean to do so.

 LE doesn't have the option to subjectively determine whether someone has the "means" to pay for other accomodations. That was the point they made to us as we explained to the deputies that the fully rebuilt sprinter Vans with expensive solar panels were not housing people unable to pay for alternate sleeping arrangements. 

That didn't matter to them.  They were following the law based on that ruling as they and their superiors interpreted it.  Overly conservative?  Maybe.  Again, that interpretation probably varies greatly State by State. 

I believe California residents should have recreational activates taken away for the next 4 years and have to work on infrastructure redevelopment projects. 

Together we can get rid of the neoliberal blight and focus on community building. 

Yosemite sucks