Why we won't let our children be climbers

I'm just hoping that you're raising them to not be garbage message board attention whore trolls.

I hope you are going to save the world too by only haveing two kids; wrapped in bubble wrap of course 

Kyran Keislingwrote:

In high school head gear is required. Coliflour ear is not a thing. You just want it to be so that you can convince your daughter not to wrestle.  The funny thing is that wrestling is very similar to climbing in many ways. It requires a calm mind in the face of fear, it requires strength, stamina and physical agility. It is an individual sport and you cannot blame a teammate for your shortcoming. And also like climbing, it is a sport that is very misunderstood by gumbys.

You ever think that maybe your mistakes are climbing in crowded areas full of riff raff and not using bolts for safety?

Sorry but besides the issues wrestlers have with appearance and injury there are cultural issues in the sport as well, extreme competitiveness, homophobia, and "locker room behavior" make wrestling not an appropriate fit for our family.

I dunno, maybe Socal is a magnet for "riff raff" but if you don't see the issues I am referring to at your crag than you probably have your head in the sand.

This thread is a gold mine of people walking into a pile of shit. Just take off your shoes before you get in the van.

Well done Tradi.

My Dad used to semi-seriously talk about moving to Hermit Hill in Montana.  Time to get out of Cali?

Yeah you rapped off Dave’s deviation with your daughter recently, she was crying really loudly and for some reason you were trying to pendulum hard as fuck while she was tied off to you and you had a helmet clipped to your harness (??) instead of on the tiny human who was trying to keep from peeling and skating 40 feet across the Scarface slab area... actually yeah, let’s not take our kids climbing lol

The sexist bullshit about wrestling is fucking sad. If I had a daughter that wanted to wrestle the last thing I would say is “but you won’t be pretty.” The fuck?

Greg Daviswrote:

Yeah you rapped off Dave’s deviation with your daughter recently, she was crying really loudly and for some reason you were trying to pendulum hard as fuck while she was tied off to you and you had a helmet clipped to your harness (??) instead of on the tiny human who was trying to keep from peeling and skating 40 feet across the Scarface slab area... actually yeah, let’s not take our kids climbing lol

The sexist bullshit about wrestling is fucking sad. If I had a daughter that wanted to wrestle the last thing I would say is “but you won’t be pretty.” The fuck?

Lol, "recently" like four years ago. She freaked out most the way up The Trough so I tethered her to me (so she couldn't penji) and we were lowered together on separate ropes. I'm happy to report that she crushed the route the next year. 

Don't be such a pill Greg and criticizing a child for crying on her first big climb, that's just sad.

Like it or not appearances are important in life, cauliflower ear is a concern for both men and women and anyone participating in wrestling should be aware that it could happen to them. Besides, wrestling is brutish and boorish.

Good day to you sir.

The environmental impact of the children themselves is really the problem. At the same time, we tolerate or even encourage, through hunting, the extinction of so many beautiful and necessary predator species across our lands. I think there is a common solution to these two problems, allow me to explain. 1/99 (cont.)

Kyran, I see you deleted your post but I will respond anyway.

It's unfortunate that we don't agree on wrestling and I didn't intend for this to become a referendum on the sport but anecdotal evidence isn't very convincing. As I am sure you're aware experiences can vary for sport to sport and town to town. It sounds like the program you are involved in is above par and I commend it's leadership.

Right now we are trying out water polo, so far it seems very positive and supportive. I will report back after we have experienced further time.

Tradibanwrote:

…..Right now we are trying out water polo, so far it seems very positive and supportive. I will report back after we have experienced further time.

Dude- good luck deciding what your children will like to do. You sound like someone who doesn’t have a clue about kids. If you try to mold them- they will go in the opposite direction. The best thing you can do is support them and lead by example. At some point in time your children will rebel against you and mom- it’s natural and good for them. Or you could smother them and don’t allow anything you don’t like. Make them into “Preachers Kid” … somebody who turns 18 and tells parents to F-Off! Then go off the deep end - eating every drug, drinking hard and screwing every homeless looser they can grab.

Water Polo!!!! Tradiban you do know that’s just bare knuckle fighting in deep water! But it builds character and toughness- some good traits to instill in your children.

But don’t worry- someday one of your kids might just become a 5.15 sport climber.

Good luck with it- sounds like you have a lot to learn. But kids have a way of turning out OK despite what you wish.

Guy Keeseewrote:

Dude- good luck deciding what your children will like to do. You sound like someone who doesn’t have a clue about kids. If you try to mold them- they will go in the opposite direction. The best thing you can do is support them and lead by example. At some point in time your children will rebel against you and mom- it’s natural and good for them. Or you could smother them and don’t allow anything you don’t like. Make them into “Preachers Kid” … somebody who turns 18 and tells parents to F-Off! Then go off the deep end - eating every drug, drinking hard and screwing every homeless looser they can grab.

Water Polo!!!! Tradiban you do know that’s just bare knuckle fighting in deep water! But it builds character and toughness- some good traits to instill in your children.

But don’t worry- someday one of your kids might just become a 5.15 sport climber.

Good luck with it- sounds like you have a lot to learn. But kids have a way of turning out OK despite what you wish.

We're talking about what sport they're gonna do, not what they're going to be when they grow up, that has already been predetermined by access and affluence.

Yes, I like the water polo thing, builds character and there's not a bunch of quasi-homeless hanging around.

Guy Keeseewrote:

If you try to mold them- they will go in the opposite direction. The best thing you can do is support them and lead by example. At some point in time your children will rebel against you and mom- it’s natural and good for them. Or you could smother them and don’t allow anything you don’t like. Make them into “Preachers Kid” … somebody who turns 18 and tells parents to F-Off! Then go off the deep end - eating every drug, drinking hard and screwing every homeless looser they can grab.

Support them, lead by example:  man, sounds like you've had some well-earned skin in the game going the full 100 yards and then some.  At least that's how I feel now that they are all out of the house.

All I know is no child of mine is gonna live on unemployment while climbing daily. 

They'll live off you while climbing daily.

Bill Lawrywrote:

Support them, lead by example:  man, sounds like you've had some well-earned skin in the game going the full 100 yards and then some.  At least that's how I feel now that they are all out of the house.

Leading by example.... that's what I am talking about regarding "adult activities". They need to understand that certain things aren't for them as of yet, driving being the obvious example, these are the "boundaries" I speak of. Climbing is currently outside those boundaries for ours.

Gradually we introduce them to "adult activities" so we can prepare them for the negativity and nastiness they will encounter in the real world, especially on MP   

Tradibanwrote:

Leading by example.... that's what I am talking about regarding "adult activities". They need to understand that certain things aren't for them as of yet, driving being the obvious example, these are the "boundaries" I speak of. Climbing is currently outside those boundaries for ours.

Oh man - I can just hear the keyboard click-i-ness decibels rising.

To the OP- Who is the ‘we’ in the stated topic?  - I think we, the maligned climber community, would all like to hear from your partner about his/her/their detrimental experiences in the climbing community. How do they feel about bolts? Do they prefer a gnarly walk off or a clean abseil? How about cannabis? Is it ok to eat some edibles and just flail on top rope?

abseil? this is mtn project, honeybunch. it's 'repel.'

I was looking for a dark chocolate pecan pie recipe, and I just found a nice one with agave instead of corn syrup, because I have a large container of agave at home, mostly full, that I haven't used in a while. I would recommend wearing a helmet though.