Why we won't let our children be climbers

Jon Rhoderickwrote:

I know I’ve already asked you this but: 

Have your children considered adoption?

Tradiban in December 2019

”I think I've got a few future crushers on my hands and I'm thinking of pulling them out of the God-less public school to home school and give them more time for training. Has anyone switched to home school to pursue athletic pursuits? What kind of school to training ratios are you running?”

People change right?

Funny, because out here I rarely see humans, let alone vapers and cursing hordes. Also, out here, when things get a bit sketchy we drill a bolt.  Maybe your issue isn't the dangers of rock climbing but the society and ethics you choose to live with.  

But hey, maybe now you can home school your kids to train them to be Olympic Wrestlers, like we discussed in your previous kid thread. Wrestling is totally safe.

Mark Pilatewrote:

I agree with Tradiban.  Climbing is horrible for kids.  Basically a life threatening cesspool of drugs and poor behavior.  Get enough of that at work and school.   Sailing is the safe, clean, environmentally friendly alternative.  Switch now.

Isn’t that a cute picture of privilege.

Redynswrote:

I prefer my that kid becomes a D1 swimmer rather than a regular run of the mill 5.13/V12 climber.

Pulling that thread, why do you think that is so?

Christopher Smithwrote:

You definitely hit on one of my frustrations with climbing outside.  I quit smoking pot for a myriad of reasons about a year and a half ago and it's tough with the amount of people (especially in and near CO) that are chiefing it up.  I can fully understand where that would be doubly worrisome for a parent.  I will admit I do drink at the crag though but it's generally no more than one lower alcohol percentage drink and usually after doing a MP while taking a breather.  Also trying to get better on the language part, especially around kids which I have been terrible about in the past.  I'm finding going out and climbing with mostly other Catholics helps with this a bit certainly but the general culture in climbing is kinda trashy.

Totally. I recently started my own church because even the regular faithful crowd was becoming too rowdy.

Daniel Chode Riderwrote:

Didn't know you had kids. Little Tradibans, running amuck.

Cute.

5 of them, one 10yr, two 9yr, and two 6 months old (unborn).

Victor K wrote:

Funny. I started when I was middle-aged, and my only thought was how much I would have liked having both gym and outside climbing when I was young. I look at the culture of the sport and my reaction is exactly the opposite. I expect you'll lead by example, and give up climbing? Because "do as I say, not as I do" isn't really a winning formula.

I will continue to climb outside, we have simply deemed rock climbing an "adult activity"

Jon Rhoderickwrote:

I know I’ve already asked you this but: 

Have your children considered adoption?

Tradiban in December 2019

”I think I've got a few future crushers on my hands and I'm thinking of pulling them out of the God-less public school to home school and give them more time for training. Has anyone switched to home school to pursue athletic pursuits? What kind of school to training ratios are you running?”

They are in fact "crushers" but for reasons stated above we won't be pursuing rock climbing further, but like I said gym climbing may be acceptable.

Kyran Keisling wrote:

Funny, because out here I rarely see humans, let alone vapers and cursing hordes. Also, out here, when things get a bit sketchy we drill a bolt.  Maybe your issue isn't the dangers of rock climbing but the society and ethics you choose to live with.  But hey, maybe now you can home school your kids to train them to be Olympic Wrestlers, like we discussed in your previous kid thread. Wrestling is totally safe.

Funny you should mention wrestling, my oldest said she would like to do that......until I showed her some photos of wrestlers.

B Pwrote:

Isn’t that a cute picture of privilege.

I could buy four seaworthy 30' sailboats for the price of one vansion, just sayin

Your missing the most important reason. I assume you have life insurance. Kids realize this. They drop you. They get big pay day and can now climb as much as they want without adult interfering. 

You should also maybe not climb with your spouse, I know mine has mentioned how nice it would be to stop belaying me and the payout.

Your kids are soft. My 6 week old is listening to gangster rap and hangboarding right now. 

Tradibanwrote:

Pulling that thread, why do you think that is so?

Totally. I recently started my own church because even the regular faithful crowd was becoming too rowdy.

5 of them, one 10yr, two 9yr, and two 6 months old (unborn).

I will continue to climb outside, we have simply deemed rock climbing an "adult activity"

They are in fact "crushers" but for reasons stated above we won't be pursuing rock climbing further, but like I said gym climbing may be acceptable.

Funny you should mention wrestling, my oldest said she would like to do that......until I showed her some photos of wrestlers.

 So it's all about your image and how you look? That's what should determine what you pursue in life?  Maybe show her these images.  Helen Maroulis.  Lynn hill on a mat. 

M Mwrote:

I could buy four seaworthy 30' sailboats for the price of one vansion, just sayin

Yep and I’d make the same smart ass comment with a picture of 4 kids in front of a vansion.

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be climbers

Climbers ain't easy to love
And they're harder to hold
They'd rather give you chalk
Than diamonds or gold
Chouinard harnesses and old faded Gramiccis
And each night begins a new day
If you don't understand them and they don't die young
They'll probably just climb away

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be climbers
Don't let 'em camp or hike them old hills
Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such
Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be climbers
'Cause they'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love

Climbers like smoky fires
And clear mountain mornings
Patagonia fuzzies and Chacos
And guitar tunes into the night
Them that don't know climbers
Won't like them and them that do
Sometimes won't know how to take them
They ain't so stinky, they're just different
But their mind won't let them
Live life that you think is right

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be climbers
Don't let 'em camp or hike them old hills
Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such
Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be climbers
'Cause they'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love

B Pwrote:

Isn’t that a cute picture of privilege.

Isnt that cute, coming to big conclusions from 1 picture of happy kids on a boat.
TIL sailing = Privilege
Gonna get me a hobby cat to show those neighbors who's made it! Land is for the pleebs!

Tradibanwrote:

We have come to the decision to disallow our children from becoming rock climbers. 

You have children, so selfish! How dare you?

Really, the best thing you can do for them, for the planet, and for a carbon zero future is to just pack the family in the car and drive off a cliff... .Actually that would spew tons of carbon, spread toxic oil, and maybe hurt a deer... blow up a raft and paddle out into the ocean... no... a jellyfish might feel oppressed.... got it, just stay at home, do nothing, put something over your mouth to restrict air supply, and wait for further instructions from your phone...

Jay Crewwrote:

You have children, so selfish! How dare you?

Really, the best thing you can do for them, for the planet, and for a carbon zero future is to just pack the family in the car and drive off a cliff... .Actually that would spew tons of carbon, spread toxic oil, and maybe hurt a deer... blow up a raft and paddle out into the ocean... no... a jellyfish might feel oppressed.... got it, just stay at home, do nothing, put something over your mouth to restrict air supply, and wait for further instructions from your phone...

This is a common theme for jokes on MP but really, it's not that funny. 

B Pwrote:

Isn’t that a cute picture of privilege.

Haha, no doubt.  Part the trip theme over the 4th was to not take such things for granted.  All will hopefully follow the family tradition of service to their country and their fellow Americans (ALL Americans) in some way.   “Iron Mike” was a theme over the weekend and “he” is one of their examples to strive to emulate (all versions… look it up if unfamiliar, there is a much copied original “version” at the the UofMN)  In essence, we’re raising them to be the exact opposite of Donald Trump…

who doesn’t climb or sail.  ;)  

And, to get more serious on a troll thread, the best thing about climbing is teaching kids the mental and physical competence and confidence needed to deal with dangerous things calmly and intelligently.  Wusses never prosper 

Good luck influencing your children, might as well try to change the world...

Mark Pilatewrote:

And, to get more serious on a troll thread, the best thing about climbing is teaching kids the mental and physical competence and confidence needed to deal with dangerous things calmly and intelligently.  Wusses never prosper 

I couldn't agree with you more Mark, my kids are still young (5 and 3) but they both love the mountains and being with Dad when he is climbing (ie bouldering with them, still too young to take my oldest son to the crag yet). I can't wait to get into climbing adventures with my kids, should they choose to pursue the sport. Learning to fight through challenges and adversity at a young age has served me well in my life, and I hope I can provide the same lessons to my kids. 

Kyran Keislingwrote:

Funny, because out here I rarely see humans, let alone vapers and cursing hordes. Also, out here, when things get a bit sketchy we drill a bolt.  Maybe your issue isn't the dangers of rock climbing but the society and ethics you choose to live with.  

But hey, maybe now you can home school your kids to train them to be Olympic Wrestlers, like we discussed in your previous kid thread. Wrestling is totally safe.

I MUST know where this is

Jay Crewwrote:

You have children, so selfish! How dare you?

Really, the best thing you can do for them, for the planet, and for a carbon zero future is to just pack the family in the car and drive off a cliff... .Actually that would spew tons of carbon, spread toxic oil, and maybe hurt a deer... blow up a raft and paddle out into the ocean... no... a jellyfish might feel oppressed.... got it, just stay at home, do nothing, put something over your mouth to restrict air supply, and wait for further instructions from your phone...

Jay Crew, the latest recipient of Shawn Snyders quest to shame! He really has a hard-on for you!

B Pwrote:

Isn’t that a cute picture of privilege.

Privilege is great. The fact that you could respond to this thread is considered a privilege to a vast population of our planet. Having free time to climb as well. Jealousy is such an ugly look.

Make them be doctors and lawyers and such.