Anybody have the SLCA Financial records?

Why won't the SLCA reveal who is being paid?

It's not a volunteer organization if everyone is paid off.

Their number one goal was to have paid positions for all of the board members and advisers after they got corporate funding. Dave? Jonathan? Cynthia?

mikewhitewrote:

Their number one goal was to have paid positions for all of the board members and advisers after they got corporate funding. Dave? Jonathan? Cynthia?

Never heard that as the number one goal.  They've had the Executive Director position as a paid, salary position for years.  To my knowledge, that was (and is) the only paid board position for the SLCA.  

What's the reason for asking, Mike?

  Because money donated to the organization is being funneled to other positions that no one knows about.

It's not a non profit organization!

mikewhitewrote:

  Because money donated to the organization is being funneled to other positions that no one knows about.

It's not a non profit organization!

Non profit org doesn't equal unpaid. They usually pay salaries - certainly to leadership of the org - but they're not going to get office help or website development for free either.

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Industry=Non-Profit_Organization/Salary

https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Executive_Director%2C_Non-Profit_Organization/Salary/b89fe586/Salt-Lake-City-UT

Mike, that's a big statement! I hope you have good legal counsel! It would be one thing to say you think something, but you have said in black & white something you damn well better know! 

Also, people are allowed to be paid for work done even in a nonprofit. I'm not sure you understand the difference between a for profit & a non profit business. 

Whatever amount Julia, the SLCA paid ED, is getting paid it is not likely enough to cover her value. The SLCA rocks and it is because they have a great ED who is paid. Having been on the board of a couple of all volunteer advocacy/Friends groups, it is virtually impossible to be effective without a full time or close to full time paid ED.

toddeo

This is a formal request to see the salt lake climbers alliance IRS form 990. Ten years should do.

I have emailed Julia and gotten no response.

Mark Frumkinwrote:

Mike, that's a big statement! I hope you have good legal counsel! It would be one thing to say you think something, but you have said in black & white something you damn well better know! 

Also, people are allowed to be paid for work done even in a nonprofit. I'm not sure you understand the difference between a for profit & a non profit business. 

I was on the board of directors for years.

The information you want is publicly available from the IRS

https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=800015850&name=Salt%20Lake%20Climbers%20Alliance%20Inc.&city=Heber%20City&state=UT&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=CHARITIES,%20EPOSTCARD,%20COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=CHARITIES&orgTags=EPOSTCARD&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS

https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/800015850_201912_990_2020120117460175.pdf

From the IRS forms that Allen linked to, it looks like for 2019 total revenue was ~250K, employee expenses were ~45K, ~237K was spent in the year, and there was a year end carryover of ~91K.  These are not "big money" figures, and no one is getting rich here.  Those amounts seem reasonable to me.  There are sleazy "non-profits" that exist mainly to raise funds and channel that money to senior staff, but this does not appear to be the case with SLCA, unless things have changed since 2019.  Never hurts to respectfully ask to see the bookkeeping of any charity or non-profit.

$45k/yr for a full-time executive, in a real city, who does a good job is a pretty amazing value. You're not 'just respectfully asking questions', you're trying to stir the pot for some agenda-based reason. Your original question was answered, then you moved the goalposts to some weird shit that seems tied to an axe you're grinding.

I mean, come on...

Alexander Blumwrote:

$45k/yr for a full-time executive, in a real city, who does a good job is a pretty amazing value. You're not 'just respectfully asking questions', you're trying to stir the pot for some agenda-based reason. Your original question was answered, then you moved the goalposts to some weird shit that seems tied to an axe you're grinding.

I mean, come on...

WARI is a committee inside the SLCA.  And, yes, a small crew was hired to do bolt replacement.

Still a nonprofit.  Not sure why you "respectfully" keep stickin' a fork in this.

What are you getting at, Mike?

Jim said:   "Never hurts to respectfully ask to see the bookkeeping of any charity or non-profit".

I think any donor would appreciate this.

mikewhitewrote:

so is the Wasatch anchor replacement  initiative a separate organization?  Is it even a nonprofit?  25 years in the union I know what an organization within an organization is used for.  Just respectfully asking questions here. I tried to look up information on the IRS website and found nothing. Jimmy how much money did you make last year replacing bolts? 

I am not paid Mike. I volunteer. I clean windows for a living.