Climbers and Guns....? Hunting this fall?

Dave Olsenwrote:

Confiscation  is happening incrementally in many states as we speak. The pressure to do so will continue .

Privacy rights are taking a hit in WA state. To buy, or borrow a handgun or Semi Auto requires one to allow the state to forever rummage thru your medical records. Even if you move out of state or no longer own the firearm. Imagine the DMV required to go thru your health records annually. That's who is charged with the task.

WA voted to butcher HIPAA laws in the name of gun rights. 

As some with mental health issues and a lot of guns, I'd give up my guns if other people with the same severity mental health issues also had to give up theirs.

Frank Steinwrote:

How many of you advocates of a heavily armed civilian population but a badly equipped/organized State actually been to a place like Iraq or Afghanistan?  Some of us have, and let me assure you, the end result is not pretty. What makes you think that the results in the U.S. would be different?

Did our equipped/organized State help out Iraq by by overthrowing Saddam?

Would the civilians be better off to deal with the warring tribes and terrorists while unarmed?

Who really is responsible for the chaos? I kinda think it's not Joe pistachio farmer.

Dave Olsenwrote:

Did our equipped/organized State help out Iraq by by overthrowing Saddam?

Would the civilians be better off to deal with the warring tribes and terrorists while unarmed?

Who really is responsible for the chaos? I kinda think it's not Joe pistachio farmer.

Well, the civilian population was the warring tribes, militias and terrorists, and that was partly because the country was/is awash in military grade weapons.  
As odious as the Sadam regime was, Iraq was pretty well pacified under him. However, as soon as we kneecapped his police state, the whole thing went to hell in a hand basket.
I ask again, since some of you are advocating a weaker State in the U.S, along with no restrictions on civilians owning military weapons (someone mentioned Claymores and mortars), what makes you think that things would evolve differently here?

Chad Millerwrote:

Against a standing army capable of defending the country.

FTFY

Any civilian society that would actually be capable of defeating a defense department with a 700+ billion dollar budget is going to be shit-hole society far worse than what we have now. 

Buck Riowrote:

Tell that to the parents of kids shot in school with a hi-cap rifle...they vote too, and I would rather be able to shoot whatever I want if it means I need to re-load after 10....why is a big deal to have capacity limits on civilian firearms???

Is it because people want to go play army?  I guess I got my fill in the actual army.  

Many in Ak specifically carry more than 10 rounds for bear protection.  I switched from a .44 and a .500 to a 10mm because of wanting higher capacity for a charging/pissed off bear.
 

I’ve been charged numerous times-been charged just road biking,  and now carry a 10mm in the back pocket of my biking jacket.  

Watch any video of close bear encounters/charges/attacks and tell me how comfortable you’d be with only having 2-3 rounds remaining after missing a kill shot with the other 2-3 rounds shot  (based on a revolver).  

Just because a politician feels I only need to have a 10 round magazine doesn’t mean I think I need to be limited to a 10 round magazine. 

To many people have been shot more than 10 times by police before they weren't a threat anymore as well. But yeah we should limit capacity like we do when we bird hunt smh. 

Nick Goldsmithwrote:

Ask Ron O . Disclaimer, he is mostly an aid climber  but he may still have some useful recommendations for free climbing as well. 

We certainly empowered Iran and destabilized the entire region.    I certainly see a  very strong resemblence between pickup trucks full of flag waving  ak toting Jihadis and pickup trucks full of flag waveing trumpers with ARs. Scary shit..     you guys think this asshole I saw down in Seneca is a responsible gun owner..  

I am getting a NO...  

Really man because of a sticker and an opinion he can't be a responsible gun owner. Hell you're not a fan on infringing rights at all. Jump on the cancel bus and ride

His sticker and opinion pretty darn clearly indicate that he wants to Violently overthrow our Govt.   That statement indicates that he is not willing to attempt to get what he wants  through the ballot box. He instead wants violent insurrection.  So yes that guy is an asshole who should not be allowed to own guns. Additionally by drawing attention to his criminal intentions he also gets the too stupid to be allowed to own guns award.  If you feel the need to call my observations cancel culture that says a lot about your own deficiencies in the  thinking dept..  

akafaultlinewrote:

Many in Ak specifically carry more than 10 rounds for bear protection.  I switched from a .44 and a .500 to a 10mm because of wanting higher capacity for a charging/pissed off bear.
 

I’ve been charged numerous times-been charged just road biking,  and now carry a 10mm in the back pocket of my biking jacket.  

Watch any video of close bear encounters/charges/attacks and tell me how comfortable you’d be with only having 2-3 rounds remaining after missing a kill shot with the other 2-3 rounds shot  (based on a revolver).  

Just because a politician feels I only need to have a 10 round magazine doesn’t mean I think I need to be limited to a 10 round magazine. 

If you need more than 10 shots, suggest that some target practice might be in order.  Yes, a moving target is more difficult to hit.  Better yet, ride where you aren't likely to have a bear encounter.  I've lived in bear country for 30 years, seen lots of bears while mountain biking, never had one charge.  But always careful to stay far away from mom and her cubs.

My whole point about cap limits was this:  "If by limiting capacity allows me to actually have and enjoy my firearms instead of letting the liberal reactionaries either restrict or outright ban them, I would be all for it". So it is a trade off. There are some that want all guns banned(never happen), some want no restrictions at all(bad idea). Somewhere in between lays a middle ground we can all live with. 

And if you need more than 10 rounds, carry more than 10 rounds, I won't stop you. I certainly think that forcing a deranged shooter to reload more often would be a good thing, and takes nothing away from you. You  potentially need more than 10 rounds....those kids in Florida actually needed a cap limit, so 17 people may have been 5 or 6 before he could have been stopped. Just my opinion.  As long as we have sick people in this country, we will continue to have these mass shootings. I don't see a cap limit on magazines as an infringement on my rights, but obviously some do. 

akafaultlinewrote:

Many in Ak specifically carry more than 10 rounds for bear protection.  I switched from a .44 and a .500 to a 10mm because of wanting higher capacity for a charging/pissed off bear.
 

I’ve been charged numerous times-been charged just road biking,  and now carry a 10mm in the back pocket of my biking jacket.  

Watch any video of close bear encounters/charges/attacks and tell me how comfortable you’d be with only having 2-3 rounds remaining after missing a kill shot with the other 2-3 rounds shot  (based on a revolver).  

Just because a politician feels I only need to have a 10 round magazine doesn’t mean I think I need to be limited to a 10 round magazine. 

You know, the general rule if you are charged is that the first shot is your best chance. Your third shot is your last chance, but pretty much you are fucked at that point.
And, before anyone mentions the native woman who killed a grizzly with a .22LR, that was a non charging bear, shot at practically point blank in the head. 

Idaho Bobwrote:

If you need more than 10 shots, suggest that some target practice might be in order.  Yes, a moving target is more difficult to hit.  Better yet, ride where you aren't likely to have a bear encounter.  I've lived in bear country for 30 years, seen lots of bears while mountain biking, never had one charge.  But always careful to stay far away from mom and her cubs.

You’ve clearly never been to Ak.  

Frank Steinwrote:

You know, the general rule if you are charged is that the first shot is your best chance. Your third shot is your last chance, but pretty much you are fucked at that point.
And, before anyone mentions the native woman who killed a grizzly with a .22LR, that was a non charging bear, shot at practically point blank in the head. 

I can repeat so many stories where people were using more than 3 rounds to stop a bear.  Just not accurate. 

Frank Steinwrote:

How many of you advocates of a heavily armed civilian population but a badly equipped/organized State actually been to a place like Iraq or Afghanistan?  Some of us have, and let me assure you, the end result is not pretty. What makes you think that the results in the U.S. would be different?

Not all, but I do know many. 

Frank Steinwrote:

You know, the general rule if you are charged is that the first shot is your best chance. Your third shot is your last chance, but pretty much you are fucked at that point.
And, before anyone mentions the native woman who killed a grizzly with a .22LR, that was a non charging bear, shot at practically point blank in the head. 

I'm gonna mention it.

I love that story. But yeah, apples and watermelons.

Well, New Zealand's gun confiscation did nothing or worse.

"The government's clampdown on firearms and seizures of high-powered semi-automatic weapons has had no impact on a rise in gun crime and violence in New Zealand."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/438377/rise-in-gun-crime-despite-government-clampdown-after-terror-attack

So of course more guns need to be confiscated.

"New Zealand: Ardern flags further gun control reforms after firearms charges peak"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/15/new-zealand-ardern-flags-further-gun-control-reforms-after-firearms-charges-peak

Nick- what would you say about how driver's licenses are so easy to get?

akafaultlinewrote:

You’ve clearly never been to Ak.  

Yes, I have.

Never said anything about guns being easy to get or not easy to get. just that there are shit ton of folks out there many of whom fancy themselves gun handy yet are in reality completely incompetent. there are also a shit ton of gun owners that simply don't have a good temperament or stable enough mind to own a gun.   Thoughts on vehicles. It's a totally different beast.  Unless you live in a city with good public transportation  you need a vehicle just to have a job to make money and pay taxes...   Come to think of it drivers licenses are not that easy to get. you have to go to school and pass a test..  If you fck up too many times they take it away from you.   Additionally guns and vehicles are simply tools.  The thing that separates them is their intended purpose. lots of tools can and do cause harm when used improperly yet their intended purpose is not to cause harm. its to accomplish a task. In the case of vehicles that task is transportation.   The task of firearms on the other hand  is to either kill or practice killing....