N-word scrawled in chalk at base of climb near Fraser, CO

Whisk3rzz 1wrote:

lmao. how many times have you cracked 14:30? Give me a date and location! And if 5k isn't your forte I have a 2:28 trail 'thon on my resume as well so I'm flexible.

This is fragility right here lol. 

I wonder if you took the time to read my comment twice you'd realize it's a joke. Much like your ego. 

SinRopa wrote: But, do you two even lift?

Ha I solidly accept my douchiness in this exchange! 

Not Hobo Greg wrote:

How hard would it have been to post the photo here so we can all make up our own minds as to its veracity? I

Who cares? Why care?

We're no putting anyone on trial. Nobody is going to jail or getting fined. We're just observing an act of racism and hoping people think it's gross. Is it THAT incredible that some moron would use chalk to write nigger on a cliff side? Doesn't seem to far-fetched to me. Plausible enough.

If you tell me you got cut off by a car and scratch your front bumper, do I instantly ask you for proof? No, because it doesn't really matter. Some idiot probably cut you off and scratched your car. If you go to court to get reparations, well then yes of course we want & need proofs, but that's a whole different story.

However, there's a clear downside to posting the picture - you're just making free advertisment for that act. It was much smarter to not post imo.

Franck Veewrote:

Who cares? Why care?

We're no putting anyone on trial. Nobody is going to jail or getting fined. We're just observing an act of racism and hoping people think it's gross. Is it THAT incredible that some moron would use chalk to write nigger on a cliff side? Doesn't seem to far-fetched to me. Plausible enough.

If you tell me you got cut off by a car and scratch your front bumper, do I instantly ask you for proof? No, because it doesn't really matter. Some idiot probably cut you off and scratched your car. If you go to court to get reparations, well then yes of course we want & need proofs, but that's a whole different story.

However, there's a clear downside to posting the picture - you're just making free advertisment for that act. It was much smarter to not post imo.

What's the "clear downside," considering you used the full word in your post? (kind of surprising you did that)

Aren't you providing the same advertising?

Edit: I don't care whether the photo is posted or not.

FrankPSwrote:

What's the "clear downside," considering you used the full word in your post? (kind of surprising you did that)

Aren't you providing the same advertising?

Edit: I don't care whether the photo is posted or not.

Nuances? Heard of them?

Can we at least agree that if I write out, say, the word "rape" because we're talking about a rape, it's not the same thing as posting a full video of a rape? Yes? Then can you see that similarly, writing out the word nigger because we're talking about a racist act of vandalism that wrote it out on the rock is not the same thing as posting the picture of it? Yes? No?

Franck Veewrote:

Nuances? Heard of them?

Can we at least agree that if I write out, say, the word "rape" because we're talking about a rape, it's not the same thing as posting a full video of a rape? Yes? Then can you see that similarly, writing out the word nigger because we're talking about a racist act of vandalism that wrote it out on the rock is not the same thing as posting the picture of it? Yes? No?

I thought the use of that word was verboten, regardless of the context. I also thought common practice/etiquette was to just say "the N-word." Anyway, different strokes for different folks (I just made that up, but you may use it).

As one who can easily be accused of over posting sometimes, there are also sometimes when I figure I should just STFU till I know what’s going on.  This was a clear case where “asses” and “umptions” were best avoided.  

Thanks for posting Marco.  

Marco thanks for sharing this.  I coach the local youth climbing team and we try to meet up every other Friday to climb at that exact spot.  It would have been devastating to come across it with a group of kids and their parents.  It's an unfortunate reminder of how much more work we need to do as a community.

Kellen Millerwrote: Climbers against Rap. News at Eleven. !!!! Please spray your outrage at the millions of black people using the word as we speak. Otherwise, please, no more imaginary outrage in chalk.

I'd rather the focus be on racists such as yourself. Black people don't use that word. There is a slang version that they do use, but nobody here expects you to understand subtleties or anything that requires imagination, so I won't pretend you'll understand that argument and spare you the word count. Reading is hard, after all. 

T Legowrote:

I'd rather the focus be on racists such as yourself. Black people don't use that word. There is a slang version that they do use, but nobody here expects you to understand subtleties or anything that requires imagination, so I won't pretend you'll understand that argument and spare you the word count. Reading is hard, after all. 

Racist. No I am just not going to complain about chalkers. Graffiti is one thing. Chalk you can brush it off. Black People don't use that word. Yes they do. Over and over again they use it. Try not to whitewash anything on my account. But if you insist on calling me a racist. I will insist you are ignorant. 

Marco Cornacchionewrote: Irregardless of what happened or didn’t, racism isn’t acceptable in today’s climbing community.

Regardless of what happened or didn’t, irregardless is NOT a word.

Kellen Millerwrote:

Racist. No I am just not going to complain about chalkers. Graffiti is one thing. Chalk you can brush it off. Black People don't use that word. Yes they do. Over and over again they use it. Try not to whitewash anything on my account. But if you insist on calling me a racist. I will insist you are ignorant. 

Glad to know it doesn't affect you, but we kind of already guessed that. I'll accept my ignorance, but I can still recognize some forms of racism, especially the blatant forms that seem to be popping up here recently. I, like you, am fortunate enough to benefit from a society where I am not the victim of racism. I implore to show empathy for those who are. 

I'd love to see your argument to a southerner that y'all or you'uns means the same thing as "you all". Pronunciation and intent mean quite a bit, as they do with the more offensive word being discussed. If you don't see that, then I guess we are both ignorant. 

Roger Schimmelwrote:

Regardless of what happened or didn’t, irregardless is NOT a word.

Now included in the non-standard dictionary. I don't really approve of using irregardless, but language also changes over time:
https://www.google.com/search?q=irregardless+definition&oq=irregardless+definition&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60l4j69i65l2j69i61.3959j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Hopefully people's attitudes can also change over time as well so we can get beyond the issues illuminated in this thread.

T Legowrote:

I'd rather the focus be on racists such as yourself. Black people don't use that word. There is a slang version that they do use, but nobody here expects you to understand subtleties or anything that requires imagination, so I won't pretend you'll understand that argument and spare you the word count. Reading is hard, after all. 

okay i'm not sure why it even matters, because the word is offensive and shouldn't be used either way, but you're wrong. My teammates, some who are African american and many who are from Kenya, use it all the time. Full pronunciation (mostly the kenyans, and they use it jokingly). Again however, it doesn't even matter and also you shouldn't be calling that dude a racist because he made a subjectively racially insensitive remark. Hobbyjogger.

If you are keeping up the fight to keep the n-word as an acceptable thing to say or display to people that you know may not be comfortable with it, you are picking the side of doing potential harm to your fellow man. Again, I implore you to think beyond this childish bragging, and consider others with less privilege than yourself.