To all you people doing the right thing:

Paul Irby wrote:

Thanks 

Tweakers. MH are all tweakers.  Careful 

M Appelquist wrote:

Science is a dialogue, the Swedes are taking a different tack from the crowd. Perhaps they are able to handle a slightly higher curve than the pandemic progressives. Perhaps in year two or three of the novel virus they will be proven to have saved a substantial portion of their population from the deaths and decimation we are currently seeing. It remains to be seen. It is not a course set blindly.

You say preventable, this has not been proven in any country yet, not China, not South Korea, not Canada: it is far too early in the pandemic to come to the this or that is successful conclusion. We do know that China lies about most of their statistics and prevents the free flow of information to include suppressing journalists formal and informal. China and Korea are both beginning their own second wave of infections ( not the pending second season yet). 
I look forward to vaccinations and healthcare capacity to help prevent avoidable deaths. We already have a good understanding of hygiene and how it is primarily responsible for flattening the curve. This is also fundamentally different than the state of healthcare in 1918-1920. 
There are hard methods and there are harsh methods of quarantine: The Swedes have chosen a hard but not harsh method. Their method includes advising the elderly as well as those with underlying health issues to self quarantine. They are limiting gathering sizes, not as much as the Chinese model (which requires more beatings). They are emphasizing hygiene and health too include social health (the long term benefits of healthy socializing have been well understood for eons.)
The Swedes may be the global leaders we need for not only peace but preservation of our basic humanity.
I hope we all pray, in our fashions.
M

After spending a few minutes combing through the data on COVID 19 death rates (per 1 million) here: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus  

It shows that Sweden has, at present, the 6th worst death rate in the world. Only Belgium, Spain, Italy, U.K., and France have a higher death rate than Sweden. That's over 100 other countries that have done a better job of handling this pandemic than Sweden has.

Sweden's death rate is over 8 times higher than neighbouring Norway and over 6 times higher than neighbouring Finland.

Here's the reality of SARS-CoV-2: If we could wave a magic wand and freeze every human in place, but 3-4 metres away from every other human, then in 2-3 weeks COVID 19 will be gone from the human population. Obviously, we cannot do that, so many countries have tried to get as close to that as reasonably possible. But Sweden's attempt was never anywhere near close to that for a very long time, and more people in Sweden per 1 million died than in any other country in the world, save for the aforementioned 5 countries.

There is also the trade off we are knowingly or unknowingly making wherein people can't get vaccinations for their kids, cancer diagnoses are down 90% because people can't get screenings, people avoid the ER even when they are having heart attacks. Add to that depression, financial ruin, alcoholism, child and spousal abuse, etc. There is a dark tide of unanticipated affects that come along with the lockdown that is also unsustainable and is increasingly being heralded by the medical community. That dark tide swells as long as the lockdowns continue. They need to stop.

Imagine a woman with breast cancer, not getting a mammogram, for six or eight months and the cancer going from stage 1 to stage 3 or 4 in that time. One in eight women get breast cancer. There will be a dramatic increase in cancer deaths of all types over the next several years directly attributable to this lockdown. That is just a fraction of the toll we will pay for this.

Policy makers and governors need to see this as a balance with death on both sides of the scale. It is not just the economy on one side and Covid deaths on the other. The path ahead has a lot of death in it, of one kind or another. Absent any real forecast of what kind of deaths they will be, we are betraying the future for the present. I would say reopen the world in stages, and err on the side of being quick about it. My money is on Sweden to weather this better in the long run.

Mike Mu. wrote:

That motherfu#$er, he was a son of a bitch

exactly. "doin' the right thing" and lemmy don't go hand in hand....

Hi,
i want everyone will be happy in thier life mcdvoice

Regards mybkexperience

Mac III wrote:

Each individual in this country has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, in whatever way they want

LOL

Sweden has now jumped to 4th place in total deaths per million people, and they are on track to take 3rd place from France...

Paul Irby wrote: I’m just worried about high risk family members. And I just picked up a bass a couple months back and have been trying to wrap my head around that. So I think Lemmy was cool. Not trying to “gather likes.”
I’m going to work now. Have a good day.

Why a bass? Why not a trout, or a Bluegill? Regardless of your pet fish fetish preferences (no judgements bro, some of us think salmon are hot so it's all good), I have not tied in this year. Snuck in some bouldering here or there, wilderness solo hikes with the puppers and that's it. 

Not Hobo Greg wrote:

You could also read that as "country not locked down doing better than these five nations who are in various states of lockdown." I don't know what's the right or wrong thing to be doing, but if anything, having a control like Sweden in this crazy experiment is useful to see how well our response turns out to be.

As of today:

Country that did not do a lockdown is doing better than 3 countries that did a lockdown far too late.

Hong Kong and Taiwan also did not do lockdowns let's compare those 3 places.

Number of deaths from COVID 19 per 1 million people to date:
- Sweden: 422.41 (4,266 deaths in total)
- Taiwan: 0.29 (7 deaths in total)
- Hong Kong: 0.000000538 (4 deaths in total!)

Most east Asian and southeast Asian countries have done a far better job of handling this pandemic than most western countries.  Almost all western countries had roughly 2 months advance notice and they squandered that head start.

I wonder why in the discourse in the western world regarding lockdown vs. no lockdown it's always Sweden that is brought up and never Taiwan or Hong Kong.... You'd think one would want to use as the example to support their viewpoint a place that has handled it well instead of a place that in comparison sucks shit at it - and sucks so much that their neighbours don't want them visiting. I never though I'd be calling Sweden the USA of of Scandinavia...

M Appelquist wrote: What are the reasons for the successes? Do they “suck less shit?”

Yes, they all wear masks out in public all of the time. 

Lemmy gonna lem? : https://www.bitchute.com/video/6UMge2LMOFpG/

M Appelquist wrote:

Cotton masks or effective against submicron sized particles like viruses masks?

For the 8000th time, the mask is to protect OTHERS from YOUR spit and droplets that may contain the virus. 
What the fuck is so hard to understand about this?

M Appelquist wrote:

But all the virus load or just the load in the larger droplets?  WTF is so hard about knowing the difference between droplets and aerosolization?

I have trouble understanding your position because you seem to disregard all the published info on masks effectiveness on the CDC website. 

Does wearing a mask help some little bit? Yes. Does wearing a mask by everyone out weigh the minor benefits, i.e. are there risks when everyone is required to wear masks in all situations? Yes, per the CDC published info.

Are there reasonable times to wear masks? Yes, when you are coughing, sneezing, dripping, likely have a virus. Should N95 masks be available to medical providers before Amazon workers? Yes.

There are certainly issues here to discuss. Should we all just STFU? Is that how your world works? Pity.

Don't bother arguing with Marc... He ranted and raved against everyone climbing and loading the hospitals with all our carcasses. Then suddenly he was out climbing... 

Jon Hillis wrote:

Don't bother arguing with Marc... He ranted and raved against everyone climbing and loading the hospitals with all our carcasses. Then suddenly he was out climbing... 

You know this how? Where/when did I say I was climbing?