Looking for Tahquitz/Suicide local

Other Other wrote: Per bill maher from 17 years ago; don’t worry about the virus infections , worry about the shit food you're eating. That’s what causes the death and most of the diseases.

If you want good weed you go to the store.  If you want good produce you are going to have to grow your own.

James Robertson wrote:

If you want good weed you go to the store.  If you want good produce you are going to have to grow your own.

good weed at the store? trippin

James Robertson wrote:

If you want good weed you go to the store.  If you want good produce you are going to have to grow your own.

Other Other wrote:

The gov is out of his mind. Time for the state legislature to step in.

What do you suggest instead? This seems fairly standard in relation to other governors. Also, our state has kept deaths and cases per capita fairly low due to our aggressive + early measures.

Other Other wrote: officials of six Northern counties sent a letter to Governor Gavin Newsom asking to be let out of of the state lockdown order in favor of regional COVID-19 coronavirus plans.

The officials from the counties of Butte, Colusa, Glenn, Sutter, Tehama, and Yuba have brought the demands because of the toll the economic and social effects have taken citizens in the Northern part of the state. The State legislators, Mayors, and County Supervisor Chairpersons also pointed out that because of the lower populations of the counties, which is just over 500,000 combined, that there is substantially less risk of infection and spread of the virus there. The letter also noted that only 69 individuals had tested positive for COVID-19 in the six counties, with only 1 patient being taken to an ICU as a result.

Many leaders gave similar statements encouraging the Governor for the counties to follow local coronavirus orders and regulations while also stressing the need to reopen the economy.

“California is weathering this pandemic well,” noted Senator Jim Nielsen (R-Tehama) in a statement.”In the North State, we have even fewer infections than those in other regions of the state. We must reopen our economy so Californians can get back to work. Families need to put food on the table and pay their rent and mortgage. Put simply, Californians need to continue living their best lives.”

Assemblyman James Gallagher (R-Yuba City) is also concurred.

“We all appreciate the quick action taken to flatten the curve of this virus,” noted Assemblyman Gallagher in another statement. “That effort has been successfully implemented, but it has not been without great cost to our people and our future ability to provide for the health and prosperity of our communities. It is time to begin a reopening.  Our cases are low, our healthcare capabilities have been beefed up, and we are ready to get our economy moving again.”

Ahh this is the more nuanced response I was looking for. Thanks. I posted, I think, while you were in the process of crafting this longer form response.

It seems obvious to reason that more rural communities are going to naturally combat the exponentiation of COVID-19 just due to population density. There are less connections to be made between people during inter/intra county travel. However, that's still not to say that rural communities will not be affected by this disease -- it will just be a longer drawn out process. We are already seeing the reach of COVID-19's within rural, mid-western communities, namely those that house meatpacking industries.

I've always claimed that our rollout of COVID-19 -- federal + state -- containment and economic stimulus has been haphazard and disorganized from the beginning. Large scale testing efforts, contact tracing, and direct, regular citizen economic stimulus needed to be implemented. ~70% of our annual GDP is largely a result of consumer spending, so there's a strong need for large influx of direct payment to consumers to keep us afloat.

My question to you Other, Other, since I don't myself know is: in what ways would the rural counties' COVID-19 plans be beneficial to their local economies? What industries are at risk by the Governor's orders and how would their local ordinances be more helpful? I'm not trying to bait you here. I honestly want to know. I think that there is political flexing and grandstanding by both parties involved.

I've looked through historical economic data from the Spanish Flu in 1918 and it largely shows that cities/states/etc. that implemented earlier, longer, and more aggressive social distancing tactics more immediately rallied their economies.

Thomas Claiborne wrote:

Ahh this is the more nuanced response I was looking for. Thanks. I posted, I think, while you were in the process of crafting this longer form response.

It seems obvious to reason that more rural communities are going to naturally combat the exponentiation of COVID-19 just due to population density. There are less connections to be made between people during inter/intra county travel. However, that's still not to say that rural communities will not be affected by this disease -- it will just be a longer drawn out process. We are already seeing the reach of COVID-19's within rural, mid-western communities, namely those that house meatpacking industries.

I've always claimed that our rollout of COVID-19 -- federal + state -- containment and economic stimulus has been haphazard and disorganized from the beginning. Large scale testing efforts, contact tracing, and direct, regular citizen economic stimulus needed to be implemented. ~70% of our annual GDP is largely a result of consumer spending, so there's a strong need for large influx of direct payment to consumers to keep us afloat.

My question to you Other, Other, since I don't myself know is: in what ways would the rural counties' COVID-19 plans be beneficial to their local economies? What industries are at risk by the Governor's orders and how would their local ordinances be more helpful? I'm not trying to bait you here. I honestly want to know. I think that there is political flexing and grandstanding by both parties involved.

I've looked through historical economic data from the Spanish Flu in 1918 and it largely shows that cities/states/etc. that implemented earlier, longer, and more aggressive social distancing tactics more immediately rallied their economies.

if you know about the hillbillies, Oregon wants to be Idaho, Northern California wants to be Oregon, and they have no hopes of either.  So, none of this is surprising.  

I saw on another thread that tahquitz/Humber park was packed this weekend. Not sure if it was true since I saw completely conflicting information saying Humber park was closed.

Eli C wrote: I saw on another thread that tahquitz/Humber park was packed this weekend. Not sure if it was true since I saw completely conflicting information saying Humber park was closed.

 Anyways, James and any other idyllwild locals on this thread, what are your opinions about that? I’m not planning on coming to Tahquitz soon since it doesn’t feel okay to me personally to do that. I’m just curious what kind of metrics people in your community would need to see to feel okay with out of town folks climbing at tahquitz. I want my decisions to be well informed and intentional, and I want to feel confident that my decisions respect the local community.

The parking lot was full a few weekends ago immediately after the Rangers opened the gates.  I can't speak for climbing but there were a lot of hikers.

Eli C wrote: I saw on another thread that tahquitz/Humber park was packed this weekend. Not sure if it was true since I saw completely conflicting information saying Humber park was closed.

 Anyways, James and any other idyllwild locals on this thread, what are your opinions about that? I’m not planning on coming to Tahquitz soon since it doesn’t feel okay to me personally to do that. I’m just curious what kind of metrics people in your community would need to see to feel okay with out of town folks climbing at tahquitz. I want my decisions to be well informed and intentional, and I want to feel confident that my decisions respect the local community.

The truth is: Humber is open. Ernie Maxwell Trail is open. The forest is open. South Ridge road is repaired and open. Forest service is working on Black Mt road. I appreciate the notion that you care about the town. But to be really honest, you wouldn’t be doing anything out of the ordinary climbing here.Town was packed for Mother’s Day. People were everywhere like nothing was going on, besides the face covering. The best things you could do IF you came are: don’t touch a gas pump, store pinpad, or go to the post office. But there’s already hundreds of people doing that anyways. AirBnB owners never really stopped taking people. 

In short, tickle your own fancy... I never had much faith in people anyways. 

J Verg wrote:

The truth is: Humber is open. Ernie Maxwell Trail is open. The forest is open. South Ridge road is repaired and open. Forest service is working on Black Mt road. I appreciate the notion that you care about the town. But to be really honest, you wouldn’t be doing anything out of the ordinary climbing here.Town was packed for Mother’s Day. People were everywhere like nothing was going on, besides the face covering. The best things you could do IF you came are: don’t touch a gas pump, store pinpad, or go to the post office. But there’s already hundreds of people doing that anyways. AirBnB owners never really stopped taking people. 

In short, tickle your own fancy... I never had much faith in people anyways. 

Ahhh... a voice of reason.

Eli C wrote: I saw on another thread that tahquitz/Humber park was packed this weekend. Not sure if it was true since I saw completely conflicting information saying Humber park was closed.

 Anyways, James and any other idyllwild locals on this thread, what are your opinions about that? I’m not planning on coming to Tahquitz soon since it doesn’t feel okay to me personally to do that. I’m just curious what kind of metrics people in your community would need to see to feel okay with out of town folks climbing at tahquitz. I want my decisions to be well informed and intentional, and I want to feel confident that my decisions respect the local community.

I don't speak for the community.  I got a "Stay at Home" flyer on my wind shield at the Suicide trail head. So, others don't feel like I do.  However, I would not be surprised if those same people go to the store, post office, or stop into the convenience store to pick up some milk, daily.  I severally limit my  exposure to these, what I feel are high risk areas,  thus you coming up here and we give each other space on the trail doesn't effect me at all.  Those people, I am sure are going down to Hemet or Banning, so I think that would be hypocritical.  But again, I don't speak for the community and very likely I am a outlier

It's a fact the the community of Idyllwild/ Pine Cove/ Garner Valley, etc... are not a community in of itself.  They are included in the desert, banning, hemet communities. So many do their shopping at the Valle Vista Stater Bro that Hemet is really the community most of Idyllwild is a part of.

Who cares? I don't, but these are the facts... 

N.I.M.B.Y

Gumby King wrote: N.I.M.B.Y

ROFLMA...

I emailed you