Miura vs TC pro vs Kataki asym?

I've used TC pros for years, forefoot shape/fit is pretty good, though slightly wide.

I've used Miuras, they are a bit too asymmetrical for my toe alignment.  Slight gap next to big toe, sole not really under the toe.

How is Kataki forefoot shape/symmetry/under the big toe relative to TC and miuras?

Are you talking Miura vs or lace?

Kataki have very asymetrical forefoot. They are also being discontinued.

I have very low volume foot and currently wear Miura lace womens in 39.5. Have kataki womans in 40 that are maybe too comfortable. Single pitch tcpro for me is 39. They stretch a good bit.

Timothy Fisher wrote: Are you talking Miura vs or lace?

Kataki have very asymetrical forefoot. They are also being discontinued.

I have very low volume foot and currently wear Miura lace womens in 39.5. Have kataki womans in 40 that are maybe too comfortable. Single pitch tcpro for me is 39. They stretch a good bit.

Thanks,

Miura lace. 

So is Kataki similar, more or less asym to Miura lace?

mountainhick wrote: So is Kataki similar, more or less asym to Miura lace?

They have the same PD75 last (vs PD55 for Katana lace & TC Pro) so should have similar asymmetry. But since the toe box is so different, they won't feel similar for the big toe.

I haven't climbed on Miura Lace for over 10 years, TC Pro is something I try to tolerate for OW.

I have both the Katana Lace and Kataki.  The Kataki has a pointed big toe, which makes it good for thin cracks.  The Katana has a standard toe box more similar to the TC Pro.  Never tried the Miuras.

Because the toe box on Miura lace give less room for small toes they have the feel of being more symetrical which I prefer. Better feel when back edging. I prefer my small toes to be stuffed. Miura does it if the size is close in length. Can you tolerate a half size smaller?

reboot wrote:

They have the same PD75 last so should have similar asymmetry. But since the toe box is so different, they won't feel similar for the big toe.

Thanks, 

OK, So I am reading miura and kataki same asym, but sorry, what's different about the toe box?

Timothy Fisher wrote: Because the toe box on Miura lace give less room for small toes they have the feel of being more symetrical which I prefer. Better feel when back edging. I prefer my small toes to be stuffed. Miura does it if the size is close in length. Can you tolerate a half size smaller?

So does the Kataki have more room on the small toe side?

No, I can not tolerate smaller. Have residual hallux rigidus. Not as bad as it used to be but still, knuckled up toes are intolerable.

Chris Cragsocks wrote: I have both the Katana Lace and Kataki.  The Kataki has a pointed big toe, which makes it good for thin cracks.  The Katana has a standard toe box more similar to the TC Pro.  Never tried the Miuras.

Thanks for the reference but I have never used Katanas.

EDIT: Doh, I take that back, see post a couple below...

mountainhick wrote:

OK, So I am reading miura and kataki same asym, but sorry, what's different about the toe box?

Kataki has a low volume toe box so if you size them for flatter toes it'll have much better support than Miura Lace. But if you've never tried Katana Lace you should (the woman's Kataki would be narrower but also softer) considering both Kataki models are discontinued.

reboot wrote:

Kataki has a low volume toe box so if you size them for flatter toes it'll have much better support than Miura Lace. But if you've never tried Katana Lace you should (the woman's Kataki would be narrower but also softer) considering both Kataki models are discontinued.

Thanks again.

Miura lace for me had air over the toes, so flatter fit may be better.

EDIT: now I remember, Katana lace downturn was too much for my hallux rigidus. Miura OK, Might also be a deal breaker for Kataki.

What say y'all in terms of amount of Kataki downturn??