To all you people flooding into Moab:

adam.b wrote:

Seems legit, maybe cite a source?

Death rate is at about 6% and the US is still not testing nearly enough people to have an accurate number of cases and deaths. Check out some actual data and facts before spewing your uneducated opinion

I'm on your side with following data, but the data you cite is simply misleading. As you say, not enough testing. That makes for some pretty bad data. There is no way this thing has a 6 percent death rate. Most experts are saying somewhere between .2-.6%. Still at least twice as deadly as the flu, but definitely not magnitudes more deadly.

"The preliminary antibody studies in California looked even better, suggesting an infection fatality rate between .1 and . 2 percent"
https://undark.org/2020/04/23/reader-questions-coronavirus-antibody-testing/

Whisk3rzz z wrote:

keep fear mongering big guy. Last time I commented on a rona' thread I remember that .3% of the population had tested positive.... might be up to .5% now! Run!!!!!

You do realize that it's low because of social distancing and other mitigation efforts, right?  

adam.b wrote:

Seems legit, maybe cite a source?

Death rate is at about 6% and the US is still not testing nearly enough people to have an accurate number of cases and deaths. Check out some actual data and facts before spewing your uneducated opinion

Lmao what? here's the link- cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc…     1.36 mil cases and 328 million people in the US... actual percentage is .41% by my numbers. How is that an opinion, Adam? 

even if you multiply the cases by TEN to account for testing lapses (which is garbage, testing has caught up decently well) that's 4% of the population. You watch the news and you'd think it has infected 60% with an equally high mortality rate.

So many people keep complaining the news is fear mongering, but maybe that was their reaction to it (fearful). I was never worried about it personally. From early March the news sources I was following said maybe 100,00 deaths with social distancing, etc. and 500,000 without. It's about 10 times more likely to cause death  if you get it. And it's maybe more contagious than the flu. We are looking at about 100,000 deaths so it seems like the projections may have been accurate. I never worried about it because I'm relatively young and healthy, but I am concerned for my parents and other older folks or those with preexisting conditions like asthma. And I'm doing my part to not increase the outbreak. I do agree it's time to start the hard work of figuring out what we can open without causing the number of deaths to start increasing too drastically.

adam.b wrote: Trad Princess says its ok....

Trad princess, moabs foremost epidemiologist. 

adam.b wrote: Trad Princess says its ok....

Trad Princess also doesn't mention that currently the only camping in Grand County for non-residents is at commercial campgrounds. All the BLM sites and dispersed areas are still closed to non-county residents.

Some numbers:
US, where testing was routinely denied to symptomatic patients for months, death rate currently calculates to 6%.

Hong Kong, with extensive and early testing, death rate calculates at 0.3%.

This may indicate US is overestimating fatality rate due to inadequate testing.

Still it’s a horrible disease, not just old or sickly people dying. How to stop spread of virus?

Here’s the same two country comparison:

Hong Kong is the 4th most densely populated country in the world. They have had 1052 cases (4 deaths total to date) in 7.5 million people. US has 44 x more people but 1.43 million confirmed cases. Normalized by population, we have 31x as many cases.

Hong Kong did not institute shutdowns as severe as we and many other countries did. What they did do is, 99% of the population voluntarily started to wear masks in public very early on.

Whisk3rzz z wrote:

Lmao what? here's the link- cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc…     1.36 mil cases and 328 million people in the US... actual percentage is .41% by my numbers. How is that an opinion, Adam? 

even if you multiply the cases by TEN to account for testing lapses (which is garbage, testing has caught up decently well) that's 4% of the population. You watch the news and you'd think it has infected 60% with an equally high mortality rate.

Buddy, Adam B is talking about mortality rate  which is around 6% right now, not infection rate. Mmmmkey?

adam.b wrote: Trad Princess says its ok....

thank goodness. She is always the voice of reason

TLDR

Gonna die anyway,
I just wanna know how many Moab chicks I can bang before getting sick?

Though it is confusing- Grand, Summit, and Salt Lake City and West Valley City stay orange. Yet, people are flocking to Grand County. And aren't Coloradans still not supposed to travel more than a certain distance for recreation?

https://www.ksl.com/article/46753244/most-of-utah-to-move-to-yellow-low-risk-level-for-covid-19-saturday-governor-says

sclair wrote:  And aren't Coloradans still not supposed to travel more than a certain distance for recreation?

technically, i believe  that expired

Whisk3rzz z wrote:

Lmao what? here's the link- cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc…     1.36 mil cases and 328 million people in the US... actual percentage is .41% by my numbers. How is that an opinion, Adam? 

even if you multiply the cases by TEN to account for testing lapses (which is garbage, testing has caught up decently well) that's 4% of the population. You watch the news and you'd think it has infected 60% with an equally high mortality rate.

No doubt, that is 0.41% when compared to the total population of the US, but it doesn't make sense to compare to the total population of the US if everyone has not been tested. According to the CDC there are just over 10 mil total people tested in the US (about 3% of the population tested using your estimated 328 mil population of the US). That would bring the number of positive cases to about 15% of those tested (again for only 3% of the population). 

Again, sounds like its your opinion that we "caught up decently" in testing. It is my opinion that testing 3% of the population is not enough to make informed decisions.

adam.b wrote:

Again, sounds like its your opinion that we "caught up decently" in testing.

Nah. He's just regurgitating another trump lie amplified by Faux "News".

I've met a lot of people from Moab coming to Grand Junction to MTB during all of this. Double standards is a dangerous game.

A data point on testing from Indiana via NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/opinion/indiana-reopening-coronavirus-testing.html 

sclair wrote: Though it is confusing- Grand, Summit, and Salt Lake City and West Valley City stay orange. Yet, people are flocking to Grand County. And aren't Coloradans still not supposed to travel more than a certain distance for recreation?

https://www.ksl.com/article/46753244/most-of-utah-to-move-to-yellow-low-risk-level-for-covid-19-saturday-governor-says

It’s a free country man! I’m coming down on Memorial Day weekend, gonna sweat out real good on some local cracks. Nothing beats climbing in 80 degree heat!

fuck Moab     

I'll be up there in a couple weeks, Californicating things.

I should be off the ventilator by then.

I didn't even want to go to Moab, until I saw this thread. See you soon!