Any climbers who have already recovered from COVID?

I am from Canada. Perhaps you would be surprised to hear that the majority of gun owners in this country are intelligent and successful people! Its a privilege not a right to own a firearm here and there are stringent processes in place to ensure that it is difficult to obtain that privilege! I think its extremely close minded to make rash generalizations of peoples intelligence based upon them having an interest in firearms.

Perhaps, if you lived in the US and had to live with the idiots who saturate the gun discussion with "guns don't kill people" bullshit you'd realize why that generalization exists. It is way too easy for idiots to get guns in the US and the rest of the gun owners (often idiots themselves) scream government take over and god given rights (ammended 250 years ago in a world where muskets were all the rage) anytime sensible gun legislation even comes up. So instead of letting yourself get all upset, take a minute to consider we have a significant number of people who listen to and believe Alex Jones, a man who claims Sandy Hook and other school shootings are a hoax designed by the government to take our guns. And the rest of the gun owners seem to thing "well, you just never know; guess I better buy another couple guns to be safe."

the aid was just aid.

I'm sure. When has it ever been anything else?

Just a guess,  Waynchurr lives in the city.  

Ty Gilroy wrote:

Honestly, I was triggered by the gun show comment. I am from Canada. Perhaps you would be surprised to hear that the majority of gun owners in this country are intelligent and successful people! Its a privilege not a right to own a firearm here and there are stringent processes in place to ensure that it is difficult to obtain that privilege! I think its extremely close minded to make rash generalizations of peoples intelligence based upon them having an interest in firearms.

I have been to gun shows. I made the comment because at the ones I have been to (WV and PA) some wacky literature was on offer. Pamphlets and such that were espousing some wild ideas as fact. You can be fine with guns but still be aware that gun shows can attract a certain population of extremists.  The comment comes from first hand knowledge. 

Ty Gilroy wrote:

Honestly, I was triggered by the gun show comment. I am from Canada. Perhaps you would be surprised to hear that the majority of gun owners in this country are intelligent and successful people! Its a privilege not a right to own a firearm here and there are stringent processes in place to ensure that it is difficult to obtain that privilege! I think its extremely close minded to make rash generalizations of peoples intelligence based upon them having an interest in firearms.

Though if you needed smart people for something, and had to choose between a group of average CA gun-owners vs US gun owners... for the very reason you mentioned (harder for a total moron to find a gun in canada, let alone assault weapons). But then again, doesn't mean morons, on average, go to gun shows more or less. So fair point! Canadian as well here...

Carolina guessed wrong.

Franck Vee wrote:

Though if you needed smart people for something, and had to choose between a group of average CA gun-owners vs US gun owners... for the very reason you mentioned (harder for a total moron to find a gun in canada, let alone assault weapons). But then again, doesn't mean morons, on average, go to gun shows more or less. So fair point! Canadian as well here...

the gun arguments in the usa are so stupid. there is no gray. if you want reasonable safety measures you’re an anti gun statist. meanwhile the right has beaten every pro gun persons logic into merely espousing a personal war cry against tyranny and for personal freedoms via their perverse interpretation of the constitution. 

i look at the laws in canada, and they just make more sense. for the most part, they’ve done a good job of keeping them out of crazy people’s hands. shit happens like in montreal in the 90’s, the mosque a few years ago, and obviously the recent events in nova scotia. it’s a modern world with modern problems and guns are always going to be deadly tools. but, the burden of keeping them for security doesn’t seem onerous. cops know what you have and are allowed to make sure they are stored properly. lots of people hunt. there are just fewer massacres, dead women, and inner city shootings. and that’s all you can ask for because there is no way humans can reduce the violence to zero. 
it would be nice if my fellow americans could recognize that they have been led down lunatic road with a false dichotomy in their narrative. i’m pro gun. people should be able to hunt and defend themselves. i just want citizens trained to use them and the guns stored properly (to avoid sandy hook), tracked (to avoid illegal guns coming from indiana to chicago), and a reasonable framework for both with regards to ammo to potentially avoid another vegas. 
this seems way more in line with ‘regulated militia’ than a bunch of people who think showcasing their rights means having an open carry parade with their AR’s. that display simply doesn’t indicate an advanced society in the same way the grim gun violence statistics illuminate the issue. 
i would love it if more people owned guns responsibly and hunted for food, practiced shooting for sport, whatever. it’s fine. guns are fun, and it’s a free country. enjoy. just tie up loose ends and care a little bit more about the human lives that are impacted negatively every year senselessly. freedom has always come with responsibility, and fox news propaganda shouldn’t replace that. 

petzl logic wrote:

the gun arguments in the usa are so stupid. there is no gray. if you want reasonable safety measures you’re an anti gun statist. meanwhile the right has beaten every pro gun persons logic into merely espousing a personal war cry against tyranny and for personal freedoms via their perverse interpretation of the constitution. 

i look at the laws in canada, and they just make more sense. for the most part, they’ve done a good job of keeping them out of crazy people’s hands. shit happens like in montreal in the 90’s, the mosque a few years ago, and obviously the recent events in nova scotia. it’s a modern world with modern problems and guns are always going to be deadly tools. but, the burden of keeping them for security doesn’t seem onerous. cops know what you have and are allowed to make sure they are stored properly. lots of people hunt. there are just fewer massacres, dead women, and inner city shootings. and that’s all you can ask for because there is no way humans can reduce the violence to zero. 
it would be nice if my fellow americans could recognize that they have been led down lunatic road with a false dichotomy in their narrative. i’m pro gun. people should be able to hunt and defend themselves. i just want citizens trained to use them and the guns stored properly (to avoid sandy hook), tracked (to avoid illegal guns coming from indiana to chicago), and a reasonable framework for both with regards to ammo to potentially avoid another vegas. 
this seems way more in line with ‘regulated militia’ than a bunch of people who think showcasing their rights means having an open carry parade with their AR’s. that display simply doesn’t indicate an advanced society in the same way the grim gun violence statistics illuminate the issue. 
i would love it if more people owned guns responsibly and hunted for food, practiced shooting for sport, whatever. it’s fine. guns are fun, and it’s a free country. enjoy. just tie up loose ends and care a little bit more about the human lives that are impacted negatively every year senselessly. freedom has always come with responsibility, and fox news propaganda shouldn’t replace that. 

Yeah. It's not really just Canada by the way - lots of countries have sensible gun laws. Japan, Australia etc. If anything in Canada we have MORE gun per capita than a lot of those other sensible countries. It's just that if you're going to kill a bunch of people, you're probably going to have to reload between each ones, as the ones you can legally get your hands on tend to be long hunting rifle & shotguns, not assault weapons (or even handguns are kinda hard to get).

To be honest, if you guys could just get ride of the guns allowing any moron to shoot 100s of rounds per minutes, that would already be pretty good. You may still have in some states to worry about a moron backing up his car into yours at the parking lot, then pulling a concealed carry when you point out he should be liable for the damages...

All that being said, I do have to admit - guns are fun. 2 years ago we did our then-annual midwest summer climbing tour, and stopped in Gilette WY at the shooting range. Tried a bunch of guns. We had a blast - even my gf who's generally reluctant to kill an ant. The people there we super nice too - we were obvious noobs, but noone made fun and we had a really good time. Didn't fit the gun-nuts stereotype of the gun shows at all. We were still a little perplexed when a boy ~12 years old came in with his own rifle that was about the same length as his height!

I saw a cowboy action shoot in WA state once. Lots of Canadians came down to participate. Beside the old cowboy pistols and such for after the competition they were practicing with  semi auto rifles for fun, but said they had to leave behind the short barreled shotguns and rifles that are legal in Canada but not in WA.

Mostly quite elderly people, both men and women and they were quite dressed up for the periods.  Old enough most needed others to pick up the brass from the ground after each stage.

The Canadians felt they were safer overall from crime vs. the US  with the exceptions of Vancouver and Toronto.

Moe Lester wrote:

I was about to leave for a trip so I wanted to get one more session in. And I wasn't sneezing or anything, just a crazy sore throat and the tiredness, so I washed my hands and sucked it up. But really,who asked your opinion? 

Paraphrasing:

" I was really drunk and just wanted to head back to my own bed for the night. I wasn't in coma or anything, just really drunk, so I figured might as well man up & drive myself back home. This is no one else's business, of course.... "

Moe Lester wrote:

I was about to leave for a trip so I wanted to get one more session in. And I wasn't sneezing or anything, just a crazy sore throat and the tiredness, so I washed my hands and sucked it up. But really,who asked your opinion? 

Well when your actions possibly have an impact on other people, maybe you need to listen to other people’s opinions. 

B P wrote:

Well when your actions possibly have an impact on other people, maybe you need to listen to other people’s opinions. 

Last I checked this is America, not communist China

PWZ wrote:

Last I checked this is America, not communist China

Good job 

Moe Lester wrote:

imagine comparing going to a gym with a cold to drunk driving. Did I break any laws? Get anyone sick with my sanitized hands? Cry about it.

The point is that both these cases aren't purely personal decisions.

If you're on a private road land, I couldn't care less that you decide to drive drunk and perhaps end up through the windshield after hitting a tree. That's whatever you want to do with your life. I indeed agree then that whatever you wanna do is fine, regardless of how dumb those choices may be. However, if you're driving on public roads, then you're putting others at risks. Then it doesn't really matter what your personal opinion on those things is.

Same with going to the gym while being potentially infected is just dumb. I don't care what you think sanitizing your hands does or doesn't for propagation. You're still knowingly potentially infecting people.

PWZ wrote:

Last I checked this is America, not communist China

Here’s where many get confused...

Freedom to be a knucklehead, is not a mandate to be a knucklehead.  

Cocoapuffs 1000 wrote: They have tested almost the entire crew of the USS Theodore Roosevelt (compliment ~5,000).  60% of those testing positive had no symptoms.

Article here

Sorry if I missed something in a post, but how many tested positive? 2, or 200? Thanks 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_USS_Theodore_Roosevelt

678 tested positive.

Alicia Sokolowski wrote:

I have been to gun shows. I made the comment because at the ones I have been to (WV and PA) some wacky literature was on offer. Pamphlets and such that were espousing some wild ideas as fact. You can be fine with guns but still be aware that gun shows can attract a certain population of extremists.  The comment comes from first hand knowledge. 

Sounds like youre attending the wrong gun shows!

Ty Gilroy wrote:

Sounds like youre attending the wrong gun shows!

Have you been to a lot of gun shows in the US? I don't think these were particularly unusual, but I have only been to gun shows in these two states. I have a friend who went to one in California and was asked to sign a petition to introduce legislation to secede from the union based on the rationale that the US was a socialist country, which tracks my experience as well. I hope you're a US gun show expert considering how quick you are to call me uneducated. 

SinRopa wrote:

Saying that gun shows attract an unusual crowd is like saying churches do the same.  Sure, there are some outliers and groups of people with questionable ideas, but the majority of attendees and those who run the things are good, decent people.

I went to a farmer's market in California a few years ago and was asked if I wanted to sign a petition to force local lawmakers to look into the whole chemtrail thing.  Weird for sure, but I'm not going to paint all farmer's markets with that same broad brush.

Yeah, give her a good ole mansplain cause she called some folks at a gun show fruitcakes. 

SinRopa, nice. Thanks man!

But to continue the banter...

I went to a farmer's market in California a few years ago and was asked if I wanted to sign a petition to force local lawmakers to look into the whole chemtrail thing.

Were they selling zucchinis capable of killing dozens of people in minutes and promoting revolution by "any means necessary?"