MOAB area closed to non-residents, even camping

Mentioned in another thread, but making a new post for easier visibility.
Don't know if it applies to IC too. 
https://moabtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/SEUHD-Restrictions-Order-03172020-FINAL.pdf (camping mentioned in Section 3, "all camping on public or private lands")

Indian Creek is in San Juan County. I haven't seen anything about it yet, but just don't go. You don't need to go. There are far more important things than climbing.

Kind of funny this is posted in the "Colorado" forum...

Intentional. 

Sam R wrote: Indian Creek is in San Juan County. I haven't seen anything about it yet, but just don't go. You don't need to go. There are far more important things than climbing.

Nobody ever 'needs' to climb.  I'd rather be out there than listening to the talking heads trying to scare everyone 24/7.

Jim Bouldin wrote:

Nobody ever 'needs' to climb.  I'd rather be out there than listening to the talking heads trying to scare everyone 24/7.

Why don't you listen to the public health officials who tell you not to travel instead?

Well, that pretty much settles it. You can't even camp in Utah now. No doubt if you were in a remote area that is not developed camping, it would not be an issue. I doubt the Po Po will be patrolling to give people tickets, but they might certainly set up roadblocks and other things to thwart access to areas.

Tim Stich wrote: Well, that pretty much settles it. You can't even camp in Utah now. No doubt if you were in a remote area that is not developed camping, it would not be an issue.

If you read the order from SEUHD (which applies to Carbon and Emery counties as well as Grand) it has a specific section about dispersed boondock camping:
* camps/RVs/etc no closer than 200 yards to each other
* groups no larger than 10

 I doubt the Po Po will be patrolling to give people tickets, but they might certainly set up roadblocks and other things to thwart access to areas.

Yeah, TBD.

Marc801 C wrote: If you read the order from SEUHD (which applies to Carbon and Emery counties as well as Grand) it has a specific section about dispersed boondock camping:
* camps/RVs/etc no closer than 200 yards to each other
* groups no larger than 10

Yeah, TBD.

maybe I misread, or didn't read closely enough, but I thought it said nobody camping on private or public lands. only residents of these counties may camp for primitive camping purposes. 

even if it is the boondockiest blm spot, i would assume this still applies. 

Sam R wrote:

Why don't you listen to the public health officials who tell you not to travel instead?

How 'bout we all just hang out in the streets for the next 3 months with carts and chant 'Bring out your dead'. I mean we all need to do our part and all that.

Yeah buddy. Get lost greenplates!!

The reason they are 'closing' Moab to non-residents is because the healthcare system in Grand and San Juan County won't be able to deal with an influx of people coming in to the emergency department once the virus spreads to the community, or with people from outside who have gone down to have a trip outside doing X activity.  Do everyone a favor and disperse- if everyone congregates on Moab (and the Creek for that matter) then it will spread through that community faster than it will already.  Really this warning should go out for ANY small town that favors recreation/tourism for the time being- Jackson Hole, Lander, Bishop, Springdale, etc.  The healthcare infrastructure of those towns cannot deal with more than a couple critically sick patients at one time, and they are almost always sent by lifeflight to Salt Lake City at some point.   So it's a matter of thinking about what you are doing by having to go and hang out somewhere, possibly transmitting the virus to other people.  If you want to go climb somewhere dispersed that you won't potentially overburden a hospital to triage who lives and dies then go for it. But understand the reason behind the closures outdoors as well as with gatherings, restaurants, etc.  We are waiting for a looming disaster right now, waiting to see whether it will be more like Italy (and Europe) or South Korea at this point (which still has a 1% death rate to positive ratio), and the disaster is whether places like Grand County hospital will have to decide who gets a helicopter ride to possibly save their life and who just dies there.  So before everyone who has time off just shows up in these communities to get out of the cities consider who you could affect and how important it is versus maybe just staying where you are for a couple weeks.  

sclair wrote:

maybe I misread, or didn't read closely enough, but I thought it said nobody camping on private or public lands. only residents of these counties may camp for primitive camping purposes. 

even if it is the boondockiest blm spot, i would assume this still applies. 

You're right, but the distance restrictions still apply. Here's the pertinent section from the health department order:

Overnight Lodging.
Effective at 10 pm (MST) on March 17, 2020, all overnight and short-term lodging facilities (including but not limited to hotels, motels, condos, townhomes, guest homes, RV parks, and all camping on public or private lands) within Carbon, Emery, and Grand Counties may only check-in, rent, or lease to Essential Visitors and Primary Residents.

Essential Visitors and Primary Residents may utilize public lands for primitive camping purposes. No camp shall be located within 200 yards of another camp and no camp shall consist of more than IO people.

An Essential Visitor is any individual renting lodging or camping for an amount of time less than 30 days for the purposes of work within Carbon, Emery, and Grand Counties, or for an employer within the boundaries of Carbon, Emery, and Grand Counties, and their spouse and dependents. Primary Residents are any individuals renting lodging for periods of 30 days or greater or whose primary address is within one of the counties.

Seems like this order would apply to Joes also

I think its closed for non residents. www.myloweslife.com

I love the Monty Python "bring out your dead" scene where they try to take the old man and throw him on the cart and he's saying, "I'm not dead yet." and the guy says "You'll be dead soon." and he says, "but I'm feeling much better!"  

Ron you need to watch the Norseman (Norwegian comedy TV series) - the opening scene is similar. 

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Tough talk coming from a guy who uses two daisy chains for a PAS.

[Edited cause my previous jab was a low blow.]

J Sundstrom wrote:

Tough talk coming from a guy who uses two daisy chains for a PAS.

[Edited cause my previous jab was a low blow.]

Hanging belays are a bitch.

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Better yet you could listen to all the locals who tell you to stay home. Thanks for making our community look like selfish POS’s that don’t give a shit about others. 

Also, when you start doing more than following 5.7s in the Creek, you understand that there is a serious potential risk involved every time you go on the sharp end. Most times it’s worth taking, right now it’s not. 

Sam R wrote:

Better yet you could listen to all the locals who tell you to stay home. Thanks for making our community look like selfish POS’s that don’t give a shit about others. 

Also, when you start doing more than following 5.7s in the Creek, you understand that there is a serious potential risk involved every time you go on the sharp end. Most times it’s worth taking, right now it’s not. 

I can’t climb hard. I was injured in Iraq and spent two years in a hospital with a broken back, busted abdominal wall, dislocated shoulder, and blown knee...  

I don’t make YOUR community look like anything! As a matter of fact I support YOUR community a lot... and, again, I was hardly around another human being (which is the point) so STFU.... please and thank you.